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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Ah, you've got nothing to add so you reach for ad hom. Silly of me to expect more.
    Did you not see my other post?

    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    I think there's certainly an interesting argument to be made that the liberalization of Christian institutions has led to declining congregations, but I don't think it is a primary cause. I think it's an attempt to make Christianity more appealing to a broader audience. It's more of a reaction to declining congregations rather than a cause.

    I think the decline has been caused by a variety of factors. There's a correlation between higher education and a lack of formal religion. The answers science provides has also rendered some religious beliefs innacurate. Cultural dynamics have changed and churches being the centre of community has virtually disappeared in many areas.

    Then there is also the perceived moral bankruptcy of many outspoken religious leaders. Jerry Falwell, Jim Baker, Jimmy Swaggart and the dozens of other Christian leaders scandals have been a black eye on the Religious right. Turning a blind eye to Trumps indiscretions doesn't help either.

    Again, add to that the outspoken nature of Christian Right leaders and their opposition to cultural changes, Catholic sex scandals and you see a growing negative view of Christianity.
    I simply pointed out that the article's source is from an Evangelical publication. Clearly there's an issue of bias. It's not ad hom to point that out. Give me a break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    Did you not see my other post?



    I simply pointed out that the article's source is from an Evangelical publication. Clearly there's an issue of bias. It's not ad hom to point that out. Give me a break.

    Why do you defend your logical fallacy instead of addressing the message of the OP? And, yes, it is ad hom if you don't have evidence of bias and evidence of that bias skewing facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Why do you defend your logical fallacy instead of addressing the message of the OP? And, yes, it is ad hom if you don't have evidence of bias and evidence of that bias skewing facts.
    I did address it. Did you even bother reading my response to Peter?

    Do you honestly think it's unreasonable to think an Evangelical source may have bias towards evangelicalism? Come on...don't be obtuse. Try responding to what I've written rather than just crying fallacy foul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    Did you not see my other post?



    I simply pointed out that the article's source is from an Evangelical publication. Clearly there's an issue of bias. It's not ad hom to point that out. Give me a break.
    There's a potential for bias but you when make that an argument for dismissing the claims presented in the OP it is in fact ad hominem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Christian decline is found in churches / denominations that liberalized in the hopes of being accepted by modern whim.
    Good riddance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    There's a potential for bias but you when make that an argument for dismissing the claims presented in the OP it is in fact ad hominem.
    Indeed, just as there's the potential for CS to be biased, or you, or me, but pointing it out is illogical and irrelevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    I did address it. Did you even bother reading my response to Peter?

    Do you honestly think it's unreasonable to think an Evangelical source may have bias towards evangelicalism? Come on...don't be obtuse. Try responding to what I've written rather than just crying fallacy foul.
    Oh, so now I'm obtuse. You've got nothing. I did address hat your posted and pointed out it was illogical and asked for a rational response. If you have nothing more, then go find another thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    There are thousands of groups and individuals with no formal religious affiliation doing what has traditionally been referred to as "God's work" throughout the world, who see no urgent need to bow to supernatural beliefs and man-made doctrines masquerading as the will of some divine being. Humanitarianism grows and flourishes within the human spirit in response to education and societal evolution; the trappings, ceremonies and often silly demands of organized religion, while a useful crutch and impetus for some, are largely a dead end.
    Fascinating. What is the "human spirit"?

    How does humanitarianism grow in response to education? Education in what? What do you mean?

    What is a theory "societal evolution" if not a reflection of a particular ideology?

    Thought terminating clichés and naïve scientism, while a useful crutch and impetus for some, are largely a dead end both practically and logically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Indeed, just as there's the potential for CS to be biased, or you, or me, but pointing it out is illogical and irrelevant.
    I await the "you're getting defensive" routine. Or perhaps it will be the fear meme. That covers about 90% of his repertoire.
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    Christianity is in decline because the story surrounding Jesus is not believable. And because certain tenets of Christian morality are hostile to aspects of human nature, especially human sexuality.
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