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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    Is that your best response, Peter? Really? "Grow up"? How about a rational, intelligent, grownup argument as to why what I wrote is incorrect?

    There are several members of this forum with whom I've long abandoned any hope of having an honest, intelligent discussion. You usually at least make an attempt to conduct yourself at a somewhat higher level. Feeling lazy today, or what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    ...Second, the first gun owner who shot a cop in the performance of his duty - however distasteful or unconstitutional that duty might be to him or her - would be a dead man walking. He might well be a hero in some quarters, but he'd be a dead one. Other cops might sympathize with your stance and your reasons - but they would shoot you down at the first opportunity anyway.
    Yeah, probably the first one. Maybe the first ten or even the fifty, but after a hundred or a thousand, things would change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    What it usually comes down to, whenever the "other weapons" argument is presented, is the claim that guns are somehow inherently different from hammers, knives, even cars, in that they allegedly "have no other purpose than to kill people". We have all heard that one, I assume. What is being ignored, of course, is that only a statistically insignificant number of firearms will ever be used to kill or even shoot a human being. People buy and own guns for self- and home protection, for hunting, for target shooting, or just for purposes of owning a collection of them. The only individuals who buy and own guns for the express purpose of unlawfully shooting another human being are doing so in violation of the laws that exist now.

    As for so-called "assault rifles", I saw the stats the other day, and it was something like nine of those types of rifles used in mass shootings in the last thirty years?
    Very true but mass shootings are horrific and jar the sense of people and I think its human nature to fix it so it doesnt happen again.

    But they cant fix it blaming guns, we have to find out why so many people today are going off the deep end and capable of doing such heinous acts
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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    There is no end goal of total gun confiscation. That's equally as hysterical as an assault weapons ban.
    So wrong, So terribly and naively wrong. The goal of the Maoist Left certainly is total confiscaiton. It is a step by step process. This why free people must fight all the incremental "common sense" steps along that path
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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    God, how many times must this be discussed? Are memories on this forum really that defective?

    First of all, very few if any police agencies would cooperate in attempting to enforce such a law, and neither would the military.

    Second, the first gun owner who shot a cop in the performance of his duty - however distasteful or unconstitutional that duty might be to him or her - would be a dead man walking. He might well be a hero in some quarters, but he'd be a dead one. Other cops might sympathize with your stance and your reasons - but they would shoot you down at the first opportunity anyway.
    I agree no one is going to comply with going door to door to confiscate firearms, can you agree that its assinine for these candidates for potus to keep spewing that garbage and its not just Orourke, it was Stalwel, Booker, Kamala Harris and Bernie but he backed off that.

    One more point id like to make, you mentioned people with nazi flags and swastikas etc, they have actually harmed less people than antifa has and they certainly arent mowing people down like these kids are in high schools and other mass shootings.

    We have our accusations and our causes flawed and until we get them right, these mass shootings are going to just keep roiling
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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    There is no end goal of total gun confiscation. That's equally as hysterical as an assault weapons ban.
    Very few on the left come out and say it, but you can see the practical effect of this with things like red flag laws and the various other laws that California recently passed. Also, Virginia just passed some laws that have the practical effect of letting the police seize your weapons after an accusation is made against you.

    In short, many states are throwing away due process in order to disarm individuals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    Are there not Republicans who have a Nazi flag nailed up in the garage and advocate sending all Black Americans "back to Africa"?

    You don't have to buy into the "Democrats are for universal firearms confiscation" myth to be pro-2nd Amendment. It's just another one of those self-serving partisan lies some conservatives think they need to spread in order to make the lazy, incompetent, corrupt losers they support look better by comparison.
    If you look at the growing presence of red flag laws and other laws being passed in certain states, it becomes clear that confiscation is the end goal. It just involves more subtle methods than what Australia did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    God, how many times must this be discussed? Are memories on this forum really that defective?

    First of all, very few if any police agencies would cooperate in attempting to enforce such a law, and neither would the military.

    Second, the first gun owner who shot a cop in the performance of his duty - however distasteful or unconstitutional that duty might be to him or her - would be a dead man walking. He might well be a hero in some quarters, but he'd be a dead one. Other cops might sympathize with your stance and your reasons - but they would shoot you down at the first opportunity anyway.
    The real life situations we see now are that areas with red flag laws don't disarm the public en masse. They disarm citizens one at a time via accusations. Most variations of red flag laws involve a system where all someone has to do is make an accusation of violence or violent intent, and the cops can come to the accused's residence and seize his/her weapons. If the person is lucky, they get their weapons back after a few weeks. If not, they may never get them back.

    Having something like that in place is subtle enough that it can provide the state with a method to disarm people for political reasons. It doesn't seem to have gotten to that point yet, but it surely will reach that point if every state adopts these laws. And if the feds impose a law like this, it will severely erode the 2nd Amendment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Common View Post
    Very true but mass shootings are horrific and jar the sense of people and I think its human nature to fix it so it doesnt happen again.

    But they cant fix it blaming guns, we have to find out why so many people today are going off the deep end and capable of doing such heinous acts
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rationalist View Post
    If you look at the growing presence of red flag laws and other laws being passed in certain states, it becomes clear that confiscation is the end goal. It just involves more subtle methods than what Australia did.
    Maryland's Red Flag law lead to the death of a patriot. The 3 am police raid shot a patriot who grabbed his weapon when being assaulted. Too bad the patriot didn't get a few of the police.
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