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    Executive Grant of Clemency (Full Pardon) for Army First Lieutenant Clint Lorance

    Executive Grant of Clemency (Full Pardon) for Army First Lieutenant Clint Lorance

    Plus a pardon for MAJ Golsten, and returning Callagher to his former rank. A friend of mine was one of Lorance's attorneys.

    Today, President Donald J. Trump signed an Executive Grant of Clemency (Full Pardon) for Army First Lieutenant Clint Lorance, an Executive Grant of Clemency (Full Pardon) for Army Major Mathew Golsteyn, and an order directing the promotion of Special Warfare Operator First Class Edward R. Gallagher to the grade of E-7, the rank he held before he was tried and found not guilty of nearly all of the charges against him.

    In early July 2012, only days after Lieutenant Lorance had taken command of his platoon in one of the most dangerous battle zones in Afghanistan, a motorcycle with three men approached him and his men with unusual speed. Under difficult circumstances and prioritizing the lives of American troops, Lorance ordered his men to engage, and two of the three men were killed. Following these events, Lorance was convicted of several charges. He has served more than six years of a 19-year sentence he received. Many Americans have sought executive clemency for Lorance, including 124,000 people who have signed a petition to the White House, as well as several members of Congress, including Senators Bill Cassidy and John Kennedy, and Representatives Steve Scalise, Garret Graves, Duncan Hunter, Paul Gosar, Adam Kinzinger, Scott Perry, Brian Babin, Neal Dunn, Michael Waltz, Louie Gohmert, Daniel Webster, Steve King, Ralph Norman, Mark Meadows, Clay Higgins, Ralph Abraham, Mike Johnson, and Jody Hice.


    Major Mathew Golsteyn, an officer of the United States Army and graduate of West Point, is currently set to stand trial for an allegedly unlawful killing in connection with one of the largest battles of the Afghanistan War. As our forces cleared the Taliban from the city of Marjah, an Improvised Explosive Device detonated, killing two Marines. The terrorist bombmaker, as identified by an Afghan informant, who had killed our troops, was detained and questioned. Golsteyn was compelled to release him, however, due in part to deficiencies within the fledgling Afghan detention system. Golsteyn has said he later shot the terrorist because he was certain that the terrorist’s bombmaking activities would continue to threaten American troops and their Afghan partners, including Afghan civilians who had helped identify him. After nearly a decade-long inquiry and multiple investigations, a swift resolution to the case of Major Golsteyn is in the interests of justice. Clemency for Major Golsteyn has broad support, including from Representatives Louie Gohmert, Duncan Hunter, Mike Johnson, Ralph Abraham, and Clay Higgins, American author and Marine combat veteran Bing West, and Army combat veteran Pete Hegseth.



    Before the prosecution of Special Warfare Operator First Class Edward Gallagher, he had been selected for promotion to Senior Chief, awarded a Bronze Star with a “V” for valor, and assigned to an important position in the Navy as an instructor. Though ultimately acquitted on all of the most serious charges, he was stripped of these honors as he awaited his trial and its outcome. Given his service to our Nation, a promotion back to the rank and pay grade of Chief Petty Officer is justified.
    I am really tired of the "media" claiming that these actions will hurt discipline in the military. Sure it may piss off some political generals. But the troops will appreciate it. As Commander in Chief, Trump had many options under the UCMJ. He didn't use those options (so as to not undermine the commanders), instead he used his pardon powers. Which are pretty much not reveiwable.


    With Loraine - motorcycles advancing rapidly on his platoon. He makes the call- shoot before they can get close enough to cause damage with suicide vests. The fact that he was charged in the first place is outrageous. Even if it turned out that the people on those bikes were just stupid civilians, give the Lt. a medal for valor and move on. This is a war, not a summer camp.
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    Peter you are talking to a select group of americans, people cant be expected to grasp the fear, frustration, the sheer amount of adrenaline that never stops flowing when you cant know, if its this child thats going to shoot you or this child is leading you to your death or this woman is strapped down. Sometimes its more than the human psyche can asbsorb and thats when grave mistakes are made. Do we assasinate those we put in that position who err in judgement, I think not but obviously others do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Common View Post
    Peter you are talking to a select group of americans, people cant be expected to grasp the fear, frustration, the sheer amount of adrenaline that never stops flowing when you cant know, if its this child thats going to shoot you or this child is leading you to your death or this woman is strapped down. Sometimes its more than the human psyche can asbsorb and thats when grave mistakes are made. Do we assasinate those we put in that position who err in judgement, I think not but obviously others do.
    There is a vast gulf between our military and our civilians. That is not a good thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Executive Grant of Clemency (Full Pardon) for Army First Lieutenant Clint Lorance

    Plus a pardon for MAJ Golsten, and returning Callagher to his former rank. A friend of mine was one of Lorance's attorneys.



    I am really tired of the "media" claiming that these actions will hurt discipline in the military. Sure it may piss off some political generals. But the troops will appreciate it.
    In the cases of Lorance and Golsteyn, Trump made a good call. He $#@!ed up bad with Gallagher. Gallagher should be hanged. His actions were despicable and criminal and he should have been hanged in public as an example to all that war crimes perpetrated by American Service Members will not be tolerated.
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    I can only go off the facts presented as obviously none of us were there, but Golsteyn should not have been given clemency. Neither should Gallagher.

    Lorance, on the other hand, never should have been charged. It sucks that the whole situation happened, but what else was he supposed to do? He made the right call.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    In the cases of Lorance and Golsteyn, Trump made a good call. He $#@!ed up bad with Gallagher. Gallagher should be hanged. His actions were despicable and criminal and he should have been hanged in public as an example to all that war crimes perpetrated by American Service Members will not be tolerated.
    Disagree. He was only found guilty of taking a pic with a dead dude. The person who took the pic, his platoon leader had his case dismissed. It is silly to not over turn that conviction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    In the cases of Lorance and Golsteyn, Trump made a good call. He $#@!ed up bad with Gallagher. Gallagher should be hanged. His actions were despicable and criminal and he should have been hanged in public as an example to all that war crimes perpetrated by American Service Members will not be tolerated.
    Gallagher turned me off posing with the dead enemy combatant. I lean towards agreeing with you on that
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    Quote Originally Posted by Common View Post
    Gallagher turned me off posing with the dead enemy combatant. I lean towards agreeing with you on that
    The was a clear war crime. However, he was in the picture with several other members of his platoon and his platoon commander took the pic. They all got a pass. It seems silly to bust Gahallager on his own for it.

    I took pics of dead enemy. But I destroyed the film.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Common View Post
    Gallagher turned me off posing with the dead enemy combatant. I lean towards agreeing with you on that

    I don't care about him posing for a picture. It is stupid and classless, but in reality, pretty much harmless.

    I care about him murdering a wounded prisoner and getting away with it. That is exactly what he did. The Navy and now the President, let themselves be played by that disgusting subhuman pile of dung.

    When he did what he did, The other Americans present should have just gut shot him and left him for the locals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    The was a clear war crime. However, he was in the picture with several other members of his platoon and his platoon commander took the pic. They all got a pass. It seems silly to bust Gahallager on his own for it.

    I took pics of dead enemy. But I destroyed the film.
    I didn't knw that was illegal. How long has that been the case?
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