What causes incels?

[Rationalist]

Bunk. Ugly men get ugly women. Be real.

Unless they have money or serious charisma.

[Rationalist]

The "incel" movement was started by a female, so it's not just males, although they probably whine about it the most.

In a small minority of cases, perhaps parenting contributes, but probably not significantly. When a person is an adult, he has to throw-off negative childhood issues and admit that he -- and only he -- creates the life he's living.

Labeling themselves, "incels," also hurts because people tend to live up or down to their expectations of themselves, and if they accept the label, they're telling themselves they can't have relationships -- so, even if they attempt to try -- it will be a half-hearted attempt and they'll plan to fail from the get-go.

What they need to do is laugh-off the incell label, get as far away from any group that supports the idea of being incels and pull their heads out of their nether-regions and start living an honest life. If they do that, they'll eventually meet someone who likes them. But, if they identify as being an incell -- they'll always be one.

I agree with most of this, but I think parenting is underrated regarding a lot of things. Look at how much our society often expects teachers to do parenting, for example.

Good parents can make a mediocre kid great. Bad parents can make a gifted kid twisted.

[Rationalist]

Incels are primarily white heterosexual males in their teens to early twenties who lack self-confidence, are socially awkward and feel entitled by right of birth to access to the most attractive women. The have convinced themselves that their inabilities are attributable to some social conspiracy and the malignant and mercenary nature of women, while at the same time objectifying women as nothing more than sexual vessels.

Some definitely fit that. Granted, there is a natural trend for women to practice hypergamy. Even feminist women tend to do this. Women naturally desire a man who is either an equal or superior to them in terms of class, intellect, or force of personality.

Granted, there are some women who settle for less, but they tend to have self-esteem issues. Their perception of who is an equal or better is affected by this lack of self-esteem.

This means that a lot of men are left out. This trend only worsens as women outperform men in things like academia.

As much as people moan about a supposed gender pay gap, the near future will likely present a situation where women are, overall, better qualified for most jobs and will understandably be paid better on average than men.

If the hypergamy trend continues, then this will make it harder and harder for them to find a desirable man, and for less qualified men to find a woman who is interested.

We already hear a growing number of stories of professional women who have trouble finding desirable men today.

It is possible that improper parenting is to blame for both their lack of self-confidence and lack of social skills. I would also include a lack of maturity in their various deficits which may also be attributed to parenting, which would extend to an inability to take any personal responsibility for their failures. I suspect that they also have some trouble distinguishing between reality and fantasy i.e. what they see on TV, films and media.

They gather in these pity party echo chambers on the internet inventing a dystopian narrative where they have been relegated to the biological trash heap with no hope of escape other than perhaps death and then rage about the unfairness of it all.

They need a good kick in the pants and be told to grow up and grow a pair. They also need to understand that fundamentally all that glitters isn't gold. The girls who have the qualities to make a good life partner and parent for their children or even a good girlfriend are not necessarily going to look like models or porn stars and the ones who look like models and porn stars may well be completely shallow, self-centered and only interested in what they can get.

I generally agree, although I believe the same applies to many feminists. Life is about making your own opportunities -- not fixating on victimhood via perceived bias in the system.

[Dr. Who]

Some definitely fit that. Granted, there is a natural trend for women to practice hypergamy. Even feminist women tend to do this. Women naturally desire a man who is either an equal or superior to them in terms of class, intellect, or force of personality.

Granted, there are some women who settle for less, but they tend to have self-esteem issues. Their perception of who is an equal or better is affected by this lack of self-esteem.

This means that a lot of men are left out. This trend only worsens as women outperform men in things like academia.

As much as people moan about a supposed gender pay gap, the near future will likely present a situation where women are, overall, better qualified for most jobs and will understandably be paid better on average than men.

If the hypergamy trend continues, then this will make it harder and harder for them to find a desirable man, and for less qualified men to find a woman who is interested.

We already hear a growing number of stories of professional women who have trouble finding desirable men today.



I generally agree, although I believe the same applies to many feminists. Life is about making your own opportunities -- not fixating on victimhood via perceived bias in the system.

There are still vestiges of patriarchy in the system, but they are disappearing quickly, with the exception of truly male dominated fields where it can be an uphill battle for women depending on who is leading the organization. I'm just talking about white collar work here and fields like IT and Engineering.

[Rationalist]

There are still vestiges of patriarchy in the system, but they are disappearing quickly, with the exception of truly male dominated fields where it can be an uphill battle for women depending on who is leading the organization. I'm just talking about white collar work here and fields like IT and Engineering.

You may be familiar with how a lot of non-Western societies have better representation of women in those fields. Some people interpret that as evidence of sexism in those fields here, but the more logical argument is that we have a wider variety of employment opportunities in the West.

When men and women have the option of entering any field they like, there is a certain amount of self-segregation. We don't have many female plumbers, for example. We don't have many male nurses.

In the non-Western societies that have more female engineers and scientists, math and science fields are often among the few opportunities for advancement among the educated. So, logically, more women enter those fields than here, proportionately speaking.

When given more choices, women tend to go for more social jobs, like human resources or even social work.

[Dr. Who]

You may be familiar with how a lot of non-Western societies have better representation of women in those fields. Some people interpret that as evidence of sexism in those fields here, but the more logical argument is that we have a wider variety of employment opportunities in the West.

When men and women have the option of entering any field they like, there is a certain amount of self-segregation. We don't have many female plumbers, for example. We don't have many male nurses.

In the non-Western societies that have more female engineers and scientists, math and science fields are often among the few opportunities for advancement among the educated. So, logically, more women enter those fields than here, proportionately speaking.

When given more choices, women tend to go for more social jobs, like human resources or even social work.

I think that there are women working in the IT and Engineering fields who might beg to differ with you. I wasn't referring to female head count, but instead a somewhat anti-female environment that makes advancement difficult.

[Cotton1]

There probably are a lot of incels with mother issues, just like how a lot of serial killers have them.

More than anything, they all tend to have social problems. Granted, this can be compounded with just having bad looks.

Have you heard of or studied the "Mcdonald Triad" ?
Tis a trait many serial kkillers share as a child.

1. Late bedwetting
2. Firestarting
3. Animal torture

[donttread]

There are still vestiges of patriarchy in the system, but they are disappearing quickly, with the exception of truly male dominated fields where it can be an uphill battle for women depending on who is leading the organization. I'm just talking about white collar work here and fields like IT and Engineering.

Yet, women seem fine with leaving the physical labor and outdoor stuff to the men. no push for more women in construction for example. I'm for true equity in all fields

[Rationalist]

I think that there are women working in the IT and Engineering fields who might beg to differ with you. I wasn't referring to female head count, but instead a somewhat anti-female environment that makes advancement difficult.

Perhaps, but as the James Damore fiasco showed us, plenty of tech companies go out of their way to be woke regarding race and gender. It ultimately results in promoting minorities for reasons other than merit.

So, while there probably are some tech companies that are sexist against women, the most prominent ones are arguably sexist and racist toward white males in terms of individual assessments for advancement.

If you're female in one of those companies, you're better able to be promoted just for being female. The same is true if you're black or Latino. And if you're both female and black or Latino, you'll have the most opportunities for it.

[Rationalist]

Have you heard of or studied the "Mcdonald Triad" ?
Tis a trait many serial kkillers share as a child.

1. Late bedwetting
2. Firestarting
3. Animal torture

Haven't heard that one before, but the last 2 make sense. I'm not sure how bedwetting fits into this though.