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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sage of Main Street View Post
    I Know What You Are Thinking. And It Is Thoughtless.


    So Trump should recuse himself from any action that might make him look good politically, regardless of whether it also helps the nation? Now I see the DNC's devious plan.
    Even if this was a legit action he should have delegated this particular job because of the blatant conflict of interest.
    Instead he He did it through a back channel. he hid the transcript on a code word server.

    makes him look good? You mean by launching a political investigation into his opponent? please tell me you are kidding.
    If he was interested in investigating corruption in general, he might have used the word once in his conversation with Zelensky. He didn't. He only mentions investigating the Bidens and the democrat server. Later on Trump was asked about the call and what he wanted Zelensky to do. Trump didn’t answer “investigate corruption”. He said “start a major investigation into the Bidens”. Hmm. A major one huh?



    Republican-led Senate intel committee concluded Russia wants Trump elected.
    Fair trials do not allow the accused to block witnesses from testifying against him.
    "legal therefore moral" is a non sequitur.
    If we are to keep our liberty, the price is eternal vigilance.
    I wish we could agree on what the facts are. I wish we could agree on what a fact is.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    Ask him.

    I will not presume to be able to read the mind of the President. Nor should you.

    Again, it doesn't really matter whether the thought occurred to him that he would benefit from it. It was within his legal authority to do. In fact, he had an obligation to do it.
    Coward



    Republican-led Senate intel committee concluded Russia wants Trump elected.
    Fair trials do not allow the accused to block witnesses from testifying against him.
    "legal therefore moral" is a non sequitur.
    If we are to keep our liberty, the price is eternal vigilance.
    I wish we could agree on what the facts are. I wish we could agree on what a fact is.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    You're trying to guess the President's thoughts but the fact still remains that he had every right to ask the Ukrainian president to continue the investigation.
    What investigation?
    If that investigation inadvertently helps Trump (keep in mind Biden isn't even an opponent at this point), that's just icing on the cake.
    Yes he was.
    But, to suggest a US President cannot ask the leader of another nation to investigate corruption because the US President *might* benefit in the future is just silly. It's not supported by law or policy.
    "Investigate corruption" is one thing. To specifically designate the target, a political opponent who had already been investigated by the US, and other foreign sources who found no corruption, is yet another.
    "There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution." John Adams

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    First, credit where credit is due. you are a riot. I litterally LOLíd.

    Second. I absolutely welcome Joe and Hunter Biden stepping into the light. If they did anything wrong they should be held to account. That would be a good thing. Democrats are not mindlessly devoted to their potential leader. Can republicans say the same?

    Here is what you republicans donít seem to understand. People genuinely believe that Trump is unfit for office, not because of his policies, but because he abuses his power, because he has a dirty past and a dirty present, and therefore likely a dirty future. If this call to impeach was simply political opposition, people would have applied this much pressure to previous republican presidents. They didnít. This is different.

    If we ignore Trumps misdeeds, such behaviour will become available to democratic presidents in the future. I get that you donít care. You want your judges, you want your cuts. But as we shed more and more inconvenient checks on the power of the president you may find that the next democrat president will become a true maoist nightmare for you.
    lol thats funny its not political lol tell us another one

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    Would it have made you feel better is Trump had called on the Ukraine to investigate their meddling in the 2016 election or Burisma/Hunter Biden in his frequent speeches.
    Trump's team was storing most information on a secured server because of so many leaks and some guy calling himself anonymous running around the WH. Is anyone here saying they would not be doing the same thing if they had people trying to steal and publish every email that they wrote?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    Coward
    One who claims this impeachment effort isn’t political should avoid calling others names.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    Coward
    Not understaning this lame insulate to the poster? What is cowardly? Standing for the rule of law in a Federal Republic or supporting the Maoist Coup plotters?
    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining"----Fletcher in The Outlaw Josey Wales

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    El Veepo
    Trump's targeting is similar to the DEA going after a druglord rather than every petty dealer on the street.
    On the outside, trickling down on the Insiders
    The born-rich hate and fear all other White people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    First, credit where credit is due. you are a riot. I litterally LOLíd.

    Second. I absolutely welcome Joe and Hunter Biden stepping into the light. If they did anything wrong they should be held to account. That would be a good thing. Democrats are not mindlessly devoted to their potential leader. Can republicans say the same?

    Here is what you republicans donít seem to understand. People genuinely believe that Trump is unfit for office, not because of his policies, but because he abuses his power, because he has a dirty past and a dirty present, and therefore likely a dirty future. If this call to impeach was simply political opposition, people would have applied this much pressure to previous republican presidents. They didnít. This is different.

    If we ignore Trumps misdeeds, such behaviour will become available to democratic presidents in the future. I get that you donít care. You want your judges, you want your cuts. But as we shed more and more inconvenient checks on the power of the president you may find that the next democrat president will become a true maoist nightmare for you.
    We don need no stinkin evidence!
    I was going to sell my guns to the government but you wouldnít believe what came up during the background check

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    I'm still laughing about the notion that this impeachment effort isn't political.

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