There's Something Fundamentally Wrong with These People

[Peter1469]

So, because someone is a Muslim, that makes them a presumed criminal who deserves the death penalty? Actually, when I mentioned the part about the 11-year-old, I was thinking about a certain Christian sect right here in the Southwestern U.S.

Mormons?

[Mister D]

These discussions are always fascinating. Morality, ethics and values quickly become objectively true, concrete, obvious and indisputable just as soon as a "subjective" conscience is tweaked.

[Rationalist]

So, because someone is a Muslim, that makes them a presumed criminal who deserves the death penalty? Actually, when I mentioned the part about the 11-year-old, I was thinking about a certain Christian sect right here in the Southwestern U.S.

While it is true that FGM is practiced by some Christians, it is far more common among Muslims.

Granted, Jews, Muslims, and a lot of Christians practice male circumcision, and only Denmark seems to be ethically consistent enough to ban both FGM and that.

[Standing Wolf]

While it is true that FGM is practiced by some Christians, it is far more common among Muslims.
Granted, Jews, Muslims, and a lot of Christians practice male circumcision, and only Denmark seems to be ethically consistent enough to ban both FGM and that.

I wasn't actually wasn't thinking of Christians when it comes to the FGM part of my post, but apparently in some countries it's a practice more common among Christians than Muslims.

There is no mention of FGM in the Bible. Christian missionaries in Africa were among the first to object to FGM, but Christian communities in Africa do practice it. In 2013 UNICEF identified 19 African countries in which at least 10 percent of Christian women and girls aged 15 to 49 had undergone FGM; in Niger, 55 percent of Christian women and girls had experienced it, compared with two percent of their Muslim counterparts.The only Jewish group known to have practised it are the Beta Israel of Ethiopia. Judaism requires male circumcision but does not allow FGM. FGM is also practised by animist groups, particularly in Guinea and Mali.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation

It's a practice that pre-dates Islam, isn't mentioned in the Koran, and in many if not most Muslim communities it isn't practiced at all.

At any rate, my original point was simply the obvious one that justifying the killing of an individual, as one poster to this thread has suggested, because some adherents of that person's assumed religious Faith practice something abhorrent and inhumane is crazy.

[Rooster]

How do you feel about female genitalia mutilation?

It takes a big man?

[Rationalist]

I wasn't actually wasn't thinking of Christians when it comes to the FGM part of my post, but apparently in some countries it's a practice more common among Christians than Muslims.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation

It's a practice that pre-dates Islam, isn't mentioned in the Koran, and in many if not most Muslim communities it isn't practiced at all.

At any rate, my original point was simply the obvious one that justifying the killing of an individual, as one poster to this thread has suggested, because some adherents of that person's assumed religious Faith practice something abhorrent and inhumane is crazy.

FGM also predates Christianity. Granted, the hijab, niqab, and burka all predate Islam while are still treated as essential to Islam by many of its followers. By the same token, some Christians and Muslims treat FGM as essential to their faiths as well.

That's kind of the problem with the freedom of religion. There are cultural practices connected to religion that weren't necessarily started by the religion but are still treated as part of the religion. So, prohibiting some of these practices can be legally tricky. At the same time, it provides the ability to defend the religion from criticism by excusing it as "established before the faith."

Personally, I look at it like this. If a significant percentage of the global population of a religion treats a practice as essential to their faith, then that is representative of the religion regardless of when the practice began.

[Standing Wolf]

FGM also predates Christianity. Granted, the hijab, niqab, and burka all predate Islam while are still treated as essential to Islam by many of its followers. By the same token, some Christians and Muslims treat FGM as essential to their faiths as well.That's kind of the problem with the freedom of religion. There are cultural practices connected to religion that weren't necessarily started by the religion but are still treated as part of the religion. So, prohibiting some of these practices can be legally tricky. At the same time, it provides the ability to defend the religion from criticism by excusing it as "established before the faith."Personally, I look at it like this. If a significant percentage of the global population of a religion treats a practice as essential to their faith, then that is representative of the religion regardless of when the practice began.

And that's fine - but believing it to be the case shouldn't cause you or I, let alone the legal system, to condemn, mistreat or discriminate against an individual based on what other adherents to that individual's Faith may or may not do.

[Rationalist]

And that's fine - but believing it to be the case shouldn't cause you or I, let alone the legal system, to condemn, mistreat or discriminate against an individual based on what other adherents to that individual's Faith may or may not do.

Sure, I agree, although at the same time, one cannot say that something like the hijab does not represent Islam. By the same token, FGM represents a lot of cultures in Africa, which is why the applicable cultures should be condemned.

[Standing Wolf]

Sure, I agree, although at the same time, one cannot say that something like the hijab does not represent Islam. By the same token, FGM represents a lot of cultures in Africa, which is why the applicable cultures should be condemned.

Which they are, of course, by virtually everyone in the world.

[Rationalist]

Which they are, of course, by virtually everyone in the world.

FGM perhaps, although I've seen plenty of progressives pretend that the hijab is some sort of feminist symbol. All of the Muslim garments are tools of oppression in much of the world. Apparently, that's "Islamophobic" to mention, however.