"I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." -- James Madison
Peter1469 (12-05-2019)
On the outside, trickling down on the Insiders
We won't live free until the Democrats, and their voters, live in fear.
FindersKeepers (12-05-2019)
We are facing extinction. That is the catastrophic consequence of global warming. The warming of the Antarctic will slow the thermohaline conveyors (e.g., the Gulf Stream) that regulate the global climatic conditions, while the melting glaciers will dilute the salinity of the northern oceans, further slowing the ocean currents to the point of collapse. Then there will be glaciation across the former temperate zone (Younger Dryas) causing crop failures, mass population displacement, and, ultimately, starvation.
Tradition is not the worship of ashes, but the preservation of fire. ― Gustav Mahler
Collateral Damage (12-06-2019),Peter1469 (12-05-2019),Sunsettommy (08-13-2020),The Sage of Main Street (12-06-2019)
Are you here to have a real discussion? The reason I question your motives is because of how you make your arguments. Your arguments seem to be more based on brainwashing. "Global warming is a fact." What does that mean? In order to have global warming there has to be a beginning and end date. So if you choose one date, there will be global warming. If you choose another, there won't be. The temperature of the globe now is what it was 125,000 years ago. Yet here you are scolding anybody who just doesn't blindly follow the narrative when what you are saying doesn't even have meaning without more context. How about you put aside the pretentiousness so we can have a conversation.
Would you be surprised to know that climate scientists don't know how ice melts? What I mean by that is that we've heard about what happens if all the ice in the world melts. The dirty little secret is that is not going to happen, or if it does, not even close to know. The concern is about a few specific ice sheets. The problem in predicting is that whether those melt or not has a lot to do with runoff. If the ice melts and the water doesn't run off, then it will just re-freeze. If it runs off into the ocean, then it will not re-freeze. There is a lot of nuance in this issue.
Chris (12-06-2019),The Sage of Main Street (12-06-2019)
What does catastrophic mean to you? Do you think that humanity is going to die out? If so, that's not even a realistic scenario. The worst-case-scenario basically says a few glaciers melt and the coastline will move a few miles. If all of the ice in the world melts (which isn't even what scientists are predicting), this is what the USA will look like:
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That's way worse than what will actually happen btw.
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Peter1469 (12-06-2019)
OMG, you actually went there. Climate scientists aren't even advocating the extinction of the human race. https://www.amnh.org/explore/ology/e...ll-under-water
However, all the ice is not going to melt. The Antarctic ice cap, where most of the ice exists, has survived much warmer times.The concern is that portions of the Greenland and West Antarctic ice caps may disappear. We do not know how much or how quickly this could happen, because we do not know exactly how it will happen.
Peter1469 (12-06-2019)
How did you conclude that the coastline will only move a few miles? The diagram that is attached to your post shows the coastlines on the east and west coasts moving inwards by 100 miles
or more. Florida is completely under water and so is most of California. Many heavily populated cities and islands in the NE U.S. like New York City and Long Island would be submerged.
The extinction of the human race won't happen but the fatalities could be in the billions give a few hundred years of time. An increase in the mean global temperature of about 3 degrees C. (relative to 1850) that persists for
around 200 years could result in the complete melt down of Greenland and Antarctica. That would cause 220 feet of sea level rise plus very inhospitable weather.