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    Quote Originally Posted by Nemo View Post
    It is time to face facts: climate change is happening now. There is nothing to be done. There is no point in pointing the accusing finger. The damage has been done; it cannot be undone. All we can do is deal with the consequences; which. for us, will be catastrophic.
    Catastrophic being..... the extinction of dinosaurs? The eruption of volcanoes? An Ice age? If you are going to call 'catastrophic', you need to specify, so the rest of us know what to stock up on.....
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    Only Millennial Millie Mountains Melt

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    Why is the Hubbard Glacier growing? Someone needs to tell it to stop - bad form, indeed. Why can't it act like a melting glacier?
    The Hubster is defiantly anti-PC because it's joined the Make American Glaciers Great Again movement. Al Gore has been disappointed before, big time, so he can take this slap in the face by turning the other cheek.
    On the outside, trickling down on the Insiders

    We won't live free until the Democrats, and their voters, live in fear.

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    We are facing extinction. That is the catastrophic consequence of global warming. The warming of the Antarctic will slow the thermohaline conveyors (e.g., the Gulf Stream) that regulate the global climatic conditions, while the melting glaciers will dilute the salinity of the northern oceans, further slowing the ocean currents to the point of collapse. Then there will be glaciation across the former temperate zone (Younger Dryas) causing crop failures, mass population displacement, and, ultimately, starvation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nemo View Post
    We are facing extinction. That is the catastrophic consequence of global warming. The warming of the Antarctic will slow the thermohaline conveyors (e.g., the Gulf Stream) that regulate the global climatic conditions, while the melting glaciers will dilute the salinity of the northern oceans, further slowing the ocean currents to the point of collapse. Then there will be glaciation across the former temperate zone (Younger Dryas) causing crop failures, mass population displacement, and, ultimately, starvation.
    Complete nonsense.

    We are facing a little ice age. Which is worse that slight warming.

    Prepare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nemo View Post
    What is the insuperable line?
    How much evidence must there be
    To prove what is plain for all to see?
    Must there be unanimous consent -
    Are we now ruled by sole dissent -
    In the progress of time?
    . . .

    Global warming is a fact. It is happening, and at an accelerated rate. The ice is melting. The grim speed of the glacial retreat is there for all to see. It can no longer be denied. There is no point in arguing: the continued debate over the cause has all the absurdity of arguing over shuffleboard scores on a sinking Titanic. We are past the tipping point in the natural balance; and there is nothing that can be done to counteract the colossal elemental forces now set in motion. It is unstoppable. All that can be done at this late date is to deal with the inevitable consequences that are predictable, if not calculable to a mathematical certainty. It is only a matter of time.
    Are you here to have a real discussion? The reason I question your motives is because of how you make your arguments. Your arguments seem to be more based on brainwashing. "Global warming is a fact." What does that mean? In order to have global warming there has to be a beginning and end date. So if you choose one date, there will be global warming. If you choose another, there won't be. The temperature of the globe now is what it was 125,000 years ago. Yet here you are scolding anybody who just doesn't blindly follow the narrative when what you are saying doesn't even have meaning without more context. How about you put aside the pretentiousness so we can have a conversation.

    Would you be surprised to know that climate scientists don't know how ice melts? What I mean by that is that we've heard about what happens if all the ice in the world melts. The dirty little secret is that is not going to happen, or if it does, not even close to know. The concern is about a few specific ice sheets. The problem in predicting is that whether those melt or not has a lot to do with runoff. If the ice melts and the water doesn't run off, then it will just re-freeze. If it runs off into the ocean, then it will not re-freeze. There is a lot of nuance in this issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nemo View Post
    It is time to face facts: climate change is happening now. There is nothing to be done. There is no point in pointing the accusing finger. The damage has been done; it cannot be undone. All we can do is deal with the consequences; which. for us, will be catastrophic.
    What does catastrophic mean to you? Do you think that humanity is going to die out? If so, that's not even a realistic scenario. The worst-case-scenario basically says a few glaciers melt and the coastline will move a few miles. If all of the ice in the world melts (which isn't even what scientists are predicting), this is what the USA will look like:

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    That's way worse than what will actually happen btw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nemo View Post
    We are facing extinction. That is the catastrophic consequence of global warming. The warming of the Antarctic will slow the thermohaline conveyors (e.g., the Gulf Stream) that regulate the global climatic conditions, while the melting glaciers will dilute the salinity of the northern oceans, further slowing the ocean currents to the point of collapse. Then there will be glaciation across the former temperate zone (Younger Dryas) causing crop failures, mass population displacement, and, ultimately, starvation.
    OMG, you actually went there. Climate scientists aren't even advocating the extinction of the human race. https://www.amnh.org/explore/ology/e...ll-under-water

    However, all the ice is not going to melt. The Antarctic ice cap, where most of the ice exists, has survived much warmer times.The concern is that portions of the Greenland and West Antarctic ice caps may disappear. We do not know how much or how quickly this could happen, because we do not know exactly how it will happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atheist4thecause View Post
    What does catastrophic mean to you? Do you think that humanity is going to die out? If so, that's not even a realistic scenario. The worst-case-scenario basically says a few glaciers melt and the coastline will move a few miles. If all of the ice in the world melts (which isn't even what scientists are predicting), this is what the USA will look like:

    Attachment 27580

    That's way worse than what will actually happen btw.
    How did you conclude that the coastline will only move a few miles? The diagram that is attached to your post shows the coastlines on the east and west coasts moving inwards by 100 miles

    or more. Florida is completely under water and so is most of California. Many heavily populated cities and islands in the NE U.S. like New York City and Long Island would be submerged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atheist4thecause View Post
    OMG, you actually went there. Climate scientists aren't even advocating the extinction of the human race. https://www.amnh.org/explore/ology/e...ll-under-water
    The extinction of the human race won't happen but the fatalities could be in the billions give a few hundred years of time. An increase in the mean global temperature of about 3 degrees C. (relative to 1850) that persists for

    around 200 years could result in the complete melt down of Greenland and Antarctica. That would cause 220 feet of sea level rise plus very inhospitable weather.

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