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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sage of Main Street View Post
    "Being judged by the color of their skin" was the biggest and most dangerous lie rabblerouser MLK ever preached. It dishonestly tries to make those who judge a race by its general character look illogical and ignorant. It's exactly the same as saying that someone who criticizes a chronically underperforming team is just against them because of the color of their uniforms.
    When considering that MLK was fighting segregation, I don't see how you can make that argument.

    In today's society, there are surely a lot of race baiters that try to silence criticism by claiming racism, but MLK's time was very different. You literally had the state keeping black people in the shadows. That really was a case of keeping people down just because of their race.

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    Only a Few Whites Are Allowed to Be Proud of Themselves

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    When considering that MLK was fighting segregation, I don't see how you can make that argument.

    MLK's time was very different.
    Racism is realism. A defective term because it has only a negative connotation, it is a patting-themselves-on-the-back term for snobs who have a desperate need to make up for their personal defects by feeling morally and intellectually superior. Despite overwhelming evidence refuting their dogma, they persistently insist that the races are equal, that's that, and it is all settled ethics. By arbitrarily declaring that the argument is over and that they have won, they can feel that anyone who disagrees or even makes a minimal objection must be inferior himself in every which way. What clique has so much power that they can make such unquestioned authority stick, intimidating everyone whom they've stuck with having to deal with reality?
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    The born-rich hate and fear all other White people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sage of Main Street View Post
    Racism is realism. A defective term because it has only a negative connotation, it is a patting-themselves-on-the-back term for snobs who have a desperate need to make up for their personal defects by feeling morally and intellectually superior. Despite overwhelming evidence refuting their dogma, they persistently insist that the races are equal, that's that, and it is all settled ethics. By arbitrarily declaring that the argument is over and that they have won, they can feel that anyone who disagrees or even makes a minimal objection must be inferior himself in every which way. What clique has so much power that they can make such unquestioned authority stick, intimidating everyone whom they've stuck with having to deal with reality?
    Generalizations can be made regarding race, as Charles Murray's "The Bell Curve" demonstrates, but that has no bearing on how the state should regard each race.

    The logical argument for equality is with regard to ensuring the state grants all citizens the same rights. That is the only equality that matters.

    Beyond that, people should be able to make their own decisions. It is true that antidiscriminatory laws somewhat violate that, but given the context of when they were passed, I understand why they were somewhat invasive.

    Nevertheless, the argument that all should have equal rights is the foundation of a free society. It doesn't mean that all individuals are equals in all aspects.

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    "Racism" Is Nothing More Than an Distorted PC Term Used by Social Justice Warlords

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    Generalizations can be made regarding race, as Charles Murray's "The Bell Curve" demonstrates,

    The argument for equality is with regard to ensuring the state grants all citizens the same rights.

    Beyond that, people should be able to make their own decisions. It is true that antidiscriminatory laws somewhat violate that

    Nevertheless, the argument that all should have equal rights.
    BIG BROTHERHOOD IS WATCHING YOU You're just virtue-signaling to Antifa, who shout out to us what the fake moderates have really thought all along, ever since they took down the protections of Jim Crow laws. Rights are earned privileges that are not granted like a participation trophy. Civil Rights are not an entitlement of those who have proved to be uncivilized; the feral tribes must be tamed.

    Judging by groups is as intelligent as mathematical set theory, except that in the closed theoretical world, the exception disproves the rule, while in the real world, the exception must be dismissed as an outlier.

    Perfectionism leads to paralysis, which is the goal of those who want to swallow you up in their utopian nightmare. It also follows in that self-serving ideal world, that those who lead it can do no wrong, so they can do whatever they feel like doing. What spoiled class would that appeal to, and why does it have any influence at all? We won't live free until the elitist race-traitors live in fear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rationalist View Post
    Generalizations can be made regarding race, as Charles Murray's "The Bell Curve" demonstrates, but that has no bearing on how the state should regard each race.

    The logical argument for equality is with regard to ensuring the state grants all citizens the same rights. That is the only equality that matters.

    Beyond that, people should be able to make their own decisions. It is true that antidiscriminatory laws somewhat violate that, but given the context of when they were passed, I understand why they were somewhat invasive.

    Nevertheless, the argument that all should have equal rights is the foundation of a free society. It doesn't mean that all individuals are equals in all aspects.

    In Murray's words or those of his detractors.

    Interesting bit of information: https://www.vox.com/2018/4/10/171826...y-policy-wrong

    ...One thing Murray’s defenders tend to get more right than his critics is that the racial portions of The Bell Curve are relatively marginal to the overall project (as Nathan Robinson writes at Current Affairs, Murray’s bizarre non-policy book Human Accomplishment makes far more provocative claims on race), which, despite its prurient interest in racial gaps, is fundamentally about economic class. Race is, however, central to the political project of maintaining a stingy welfare state.

    ...Murray does have a side agenda that is race-specific, however. Near the very end of The Bell Curve, he writes, somewhat euphemistically, “that group differences in cognitive ability, so desperately denied for so long, can best be handled — can only be handled — by a return to individualism” rather than with policies that seek to specifically address or remedy racism or racial disadvantage.

    ...Talking to Harris on his podcast last year, Murray denounced an idea he calls “the equality premise,” arguing that the idea “that all groups of people only have differences in outcomes because of racism or sexism or inappropriate institutions, that assumption has created huge harm.” Affirmative action policies in college admissions, he argues, actually hurt black and Latino students by creating a “mismatch” between their abilities and those of their white and Asian peers, which leads to elevated dropout rates....
    I believe Clarence Thomas argues similarly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    In Murray's words or those of his detractors.

    Interesting bit of information: https://www.vox.com/2018/4/10/171826...y-policy-wrong



    I believe Clarence Thomas argues similarly.
    Thomas gets a lot of things right as well.

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    In today's game, racism means "your race or mine." Nobody is opposed to racism, only whether or not their race is winning. It is game played out in front of the world where nobody opposes lies, only who is telling them. If it were not so dangerous, it would be comical - people from two different races, doing precisely identical things, but differing completely in how it is described.

    Dialog : "what you did was racist because your team is not winning. What I did was celebrating my ethnic background, because my team is winning."
    Not to be concerned though, all victories are temporary. The sponsors of the retribution culture will themselves fall to this very farce. They forget that once this is fully entrenched, they may not be the ones deciding who is winning anymore.

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