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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    The free market reduces the wealth of everyone dude. If money is available, margins go UP. When was the last time that poor in THIS country were out buying homes at reasonable prices? See, between you and the rest of the far right BSing and not listening to fact and reason, (as for your gif) I'M the guy in the middle.
    You're on the far left, jet, with your anti-market tirade. You deny the fact the welfare system fails, you offer no facts to support your opinion. Just a typical liberal full of feeling and lacking all logic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    So, you admit that you have no idea WHAT Jesus had to say about the poor.
    Your reading comprehension is lacking. I suppose I should clarify it for you. If you apply Jesus's words to a modern political context (despite being an asinine exercise), he would not qualify as a socialist. He did not advocate state involvement in dealing with poverty. He didn't really make many statements about government in general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rationalist View Post
    The Great Depression represents a very small duration of the time before the New Deal. It's also worth noting that FDR's early policies actually extended the depression by about 7 years.

    That's not to say that everything about the New Deal was bad, but it had a lot of problems that even FDR himself changed course on by the late 30s.
    America experience a surge in prosperity after the war when FDR's policies were abandoned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    You continue to defend fallacious ad hom. You fist must demonstrate any bias.

    This has nothing to do with Jesus, just simple facts.
    Ad-hom refers to a "person" Christopher, not a "news source"


    ad ho·mi·nem/ˌad ˈhämənəm/

    adjective
    • (of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.
      "vicious ad hominem attacks"
    adverb
    • 1.
      in a way that is directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.
      "these points come from some of our best information sources, who realize they'll be attacked ad hominem"
    • 2.
      in a way that relates to or is associated with a particular person.
      "the office was created ad hominem for Fenton"
    So keep that in mind Christopher as we go along.

    YOUR SOURCE is derived from a position of "Christian charity": look up the source dude, don't just take my word for it. So your source is contradicting it's own belief system. If your source / you wish to take a religiously political perspective, then religion does not take a back seat: it can't or the source is just junk. Therefore it has EVERYTHING to with Jesus as your source / you are drawing from Christianity to make an argument.

    So - "what did Jesus have to say about the poor?"
    Last edited by jet57; 12-08-2019 at 04:22 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Ad-hom refers to a "person" Christopher, not a news source"...
    The source is a person. His name is REV. BEN JOHNSON.

    Oh, I give up, logic is not something you're familiar with.

    Refute the facts or begone lefty!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rationalist View Post
    The Great Depression represents a very small duration of the time before the New Deal. It's also worth noting that FDR's early policies actually extended the depression by about 7 years.

    That's not to say that everything about the New Deal was bad, but it had a lot of problems that even FDR himself changed course on by the late 30s.
    Oh please: read a damn book will 'ya.

    If you're going to just BS don't reply.

    You're obviously really afraid to answer the question of "What did Jesus say about the poor", because it sets your argument pm fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Oh please: read a damn book will 'ya.

    If you're going to just BS don't reply.

    You're obviously really afraid to answer the question of "What did Jesus say about the poor", because it sets your argument pm fire.

    You're the only one BSing here, jet, from ad hom of the source to your whataboutism of WWJD, you got nothing.

    Refute the facts:

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Oh please: read a damn book will 'ya.

    If you're going to just BS don't reply.

    You're obviously really afraid to answer the question of "What did Jesus say about the poor", because it sets your argument pm fire.
    Read the UCLA study on the Depression. It's not flattering to FDR's early policies.

    I did answer what Jesus said about the poor. He encouraged people to help them. Nothing about that requires the state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    The source is a person. His name is REV. BEN JOHNSON.

    Oh, I give up, logic is not something you're familiar with.

    Refute the facts or begone lefty!

    Don't you wish you had made this a tpf thread?...

    Your source is not a person in this thread. Your source is a politically religious organization that represents itself a purveyor of credible factual news material. [b]It draws on the Christian religion as a source for it's credibility[/u]. Therefore, how can IT / you ignore the Christian doctrine when reporting about the poor and what effect they and poverty have on society?

    So since you're too fricken afraid to answer the Christian religious question of "what did Jesus have to say about the poor?" I'll answer it for you -

    THIS is what he had to say:


    Proverbs 19:17
    Whoever is generous to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will repay him for his deed.
    Deuteronomy 15:11
    For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’
    Proverbs 14:31
    Whoever oppresses a poor man insults his Maker, but he who is generous to the needy honors him.
    Proverbs 22:9
    Whoever has a bountiful eye will be blessed, for he shares his bread with the poor.
    Luke 14:13
    But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind,
    Proverbs 28:27
    Whoever gives to the poor will not want, but he who hides his eyes will get many a curse.


    Do you get it now Christopher? Do you see how your religious source shoots itself in the ass by pretending that the poor are nothing but a dread to society at the same time they praise Jesus out of the other side of their mouths?

    "The Free Market" my ass. "Keep most of your money" my ass.

    READ! educate yourself BEFORE you post your ridiculous right-wing nonsense.

    "Be gone lefty" my ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Don't you wish you had made this a tpf thread?...

    Your source is not a person in this thread. Your source is a politically religious organization that represents itself a purveyor of credible factual news material. [b]It draws on the Christian religion as a source for it's credibility[/u]. Therefore, how can IT / you ignore the Christian doctrine when reporting about the poor and what effect they and poverty have on society?

    So since you're too fricken afraid to answer the Christian religious question of "what did Jesus have to say about the poor?" I'll answer it for you -

    THIS is what he had to say:


    Proverbs 19:17
    Whoever is generous to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will repay him for his deed.
    Deuteronomy 15:11
    For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’
    Proverbs 14:31
    Whoever oppresses a poor man insults his Maker, but he who is generous to the needy honors him.
    Proverbs 22:9
    Whoever has a bountiful eye will be blessed, for he shares his bread with the poor.
    Luke 14:13
    But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind,
    Proverbs 28:27
    Whoever gives to the poor will not want, but he who hides his eyes will get many a curse.


    Do you get it now Christopher? Do you see how your religious source shoots itself in the ass by pretending that the poor are nothing but a dread to society at the same time they praise Jesus out of the other side of their mouths?

    "The Free Market" my ass. "Keep most of your money" my ass.

    READ! educate yourself BEFORE you post your ridiculous right-wing nonsense.

    "Be gone lefty" my ass.

    Your source is not a person in this thread. Your source is a politically religious organization that represents itself a purveyor of credible factual news material.
    That is ad hom. I didn't say you engaged in ad hom with a poster here, I said you engaged in ad hom with the source, who is indeed a person.

    You accuse him of bias because of his faith but offer absolutely no evidence of bias...except your own bias.


    I'm an atheist, jet. Your flimsy attempt at whataboutism is wasted.


    You offer nothing to get, jet.


    If not the market, jet, where is the wealth going to come to help the poor?
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