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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Of course they do. You wouldn't know that because you're not smart but Wiki is valuable on a host of topics. You have to be careful on controversial topics and personalities but then you just check the sources. In any case, you post editorials as sources all the time. lol
    The subject was wiki not me. Everything I've said about wiki is absolutely true. https://connorsstate.edu/disted/wikipedia/

    Should you use Wikipedia as a credible resource?

    No,
    because even though Wikipedia is one of the Webs most popular reference sites,
    it isnt a credible resource because anyone is allowed to be a contributor to
    the website.


    Wikipedia Academic has posted an article explaining why
    it is a bad idea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Academic_use)



    Even wiki's creator doesn't want it used for academic work:
    https://www.chronicle.com/blogs/wire...-creation/2305

    The subject was wiki no So as I said - stupid people can use it all they want and cite it as a good source. Smart people and academics will not.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rationalist View Post
    The passage you cited isn't really related to what I mentioned. Yes, speculation played a part in the crash, but what are you proposing? Ending speculative trading?

    The New Deal did place several restrictions on banks that were not present before, but FDR's administration basically held closed door meetings with the heads of Wall Street to work things out. The government took a much more active hand in the market, which did lead to some stabilization, but it also meant that government and big banks became a lot closer than before.

    As far as Hitler goes, where am I wrong?
    You're wrong, you don't know what you're talking about. And Hitler used capitalism as a revenue source for his Third Reich.

    http://www.ub.edu/graap/nazi.pdf


    If you can't come up with competent arguments then we'll be all done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    How much people pay out of pocket for "the welfare state" as you call it, demonstrates how wrong your biased hypocritical source is. I've shown you how old welfare is in this country, (very American) as well as demonstrated how little effect welfare has on American income. What it does in other countries means nothing to this country. Your source writer is a reverend for cryin out loud, who should lauding social assistance as a Jesus inspired right to life and dignity, but HE is the antithesis of Jesus' own words on the subject of the poor! Your argument is junk dude; not credible.

    None of that illogical nonsense addresses the simple claim of “[T]he degree of welfare state spending across countries is negatively correlated with household net wealth”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rationalist View Post
    The passage you cited isn't really related to what I mentioned. Yes, speculation played a part in the crash, but what are you proposing? Ending speculative trading?

    The New Deal did place several restrictions on banks that were not present before, but FDR's administration basically held closed door meetings with the heads of Wall Street to work things out. The government took a much more active hand in the market, which did lead to some stabilization, but it also meant that government and big banks became a lot closer than before.

    As far as Hitler goes, where am I wrong?

    That seems to be typical of jet's "arguments." He posts a link and then claims that disproves your point and proves his. But it's almost as if he doesn't bother reading the link material...or he just doesn't understand what the point is.

    Earlier he posted this link, https://socialwelfare.library.vcu.ed...ef-early-amer/, to refute the OP claim that “[T]he degree of welfare state spending across countries is negatively correlated with household net wealth”.

    Follow the link, it's actually an interesting account of "Poor Relief in the Early America."

    "In time, colonial legislatures and later State governments adopted legislation patterned after these English [Poor] laws, establishing the American tradition of public responsibility for the care of the destitute while also requiring evidence of legal residence in a particular geographic locality (i.e., town, municipality, county) as a prerequisite for receiving assistance."

    What he fails to understand is neither the Poor Laws nor America's early welfare worked to the benefit of the poor but were instituted to keep the poor in their place and to benefit others for helping them.

    And, interesting a history as all that might be, it it entirely irrelevant to the topic. It does nothing to refute the claim “[T]he degree of welfare state spending across countries is negatively correlated with household net wealth” and question the data to support that claim:



    Yet he will as he is wont to do claim some sort of victory and resort to personal attacks you don't know history or don't read books.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    None of that illogical nonsense addresses the simple claim of “[T]he degree of welfare state spending across countries is negatively correlated with household net wealth”.

    Your source is incompetent therefore your argument is incompetent and I've provided proof that your OP is full of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Your source is incompetent therefore your argument is incompetent and I've provided proof that your OP is full of it.

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    Ad hom is a logical fallacy. It cannot be the basis of any proof. Especially when you've failed to demonstrate any incompetency anywhere but your own lame posts. But do keep trying to find some semblance of rationality...

    “[T]he degree of welfare state spending across countries is negatively correlated with household net wealth”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    You're wrong, you don't know what you're talking about. And Hitler used capitalism as a revenue source for his Third Reich.

    http://www.ub.edu/graap/nazi.pdf


    If you can't come up with competent arguments then we'll be all done.
    Uh, yeah, the Nazi regime made a lot of money off of foreign investment, even from American companies in the beginning. I've never denied that. I guess you missed the part where I mentioned how his regime was corporatist.

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    Current economic policy has enabled the bottom ten percent to realize seven percent wage growth in the last measuring period. That's better than the top of the scale.

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