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    Quote Originally Posted by hanger4 View Post
    Your other points are immaterial to the point/correction made. There is no redundancy.
    Immaterial to what now?


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    See #59
    Like I said, there's no who, what, where or when, et al.

    Mueller may have been tight lipped but Team Mueller was not, hell Mueller couldn't even remember some key facts and details from his investigation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    Immaterial to what now?
    Immaterial to your redundancy comment. The IG can only hear/see what's given, Durham's investigation has all the powers of a prosecutorial investigation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanger4 View Post
    Like I said, there's no who, what, where or when, et al.

    Mueller may have been tight lipped but Team Mueller was not, hell Mueller couldn't even remember some key facts and details from his investigation.
    No. No. I never heard of Fusion GPS. WTF Mueller? He is senile and was just a figurehead for another Andrew Weismann bogus investigation that like the Authur Anderson Co. case. Weismann sent innocent people to jail. Again they will later be overturned convictions due to FBI fraud at his hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanger4 View Post
    Like I said, there's no who, what, where or when, et al.

    Mueller may have been tight lipped but Team Mueller was not, hell Mueller couldn't even remember some key facts and details from his investigation.
    no who what when?
    It doesn't matter. People can deduce important facts from peripheral information. You are supposed to keep your mouth shut, period. Why are you pretending you dont know that? Everyone else does.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    Trump only ever gave two different explanations as to why he withheld the Ukraine aid.
    1. Because he had to make sure there was no corruption in Ukraine
    2. Because Europe was not giving enough to Ukraine
    Both of these excuses are provably invalid. Here is why...
    1. In today’s testimony Daniel Goldman pointed out the Ukraine aid was conditioned upon predetermined “anti corruption benchmarks” specified by the legislation. He then said “In May the Department of Defense certified that Ukraine was making the necessary progress to merit the aid."
    2. Since 2014 when Russia annexed Crimea, Europe has been the number one aid contributor to Ukraine. In fact, EU aid nearly doubles that of the united states.

    “The European Union is the largest donor to Ukraine, and Ukraine is the largest recipient of EU macro-financial assistance to any non-EU country. The European Union has given, on average, over $710 million (€650 million) per year to the country since 2014—almost twice as much as the United States average. “ ref.


    So if his first excuse is no good, and his second excuse is also no good, Why did he hold up the aid?
    As I see it he can hold it up for just about any reason he wants since he sets foreign policy. I will say he did give it to them and Biden wasn't investigated.

    What is your point?
    I am tired of everyone fighting with each other. This is all by design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    Trump only ever gave two different explanations as to why he withheld the Ukraine aid.
    1. Because he had to make sure there was no corruption in Ukraine
    2. Because Europe was not giving enough to Ukraine
    Both of these excuses are provably invalid. Here is why...
    1. In today’s testimony Daniel Goldman pointed out the Ukraine aid was conditioned upon predetermined “anti corruption benchmarks” specified by the legislation. He then said “In May the Department of Defense certified that Ukraine was making the necessary progress to merit the aid."
    2. Since 2014 when Russia annexed Crimea, Europe has been the number one aid contributor to Ukraine. In fact, EU aid nearly doubles that of the united states.

    “The European Union is the largest donor to Ukraine, and Ukraine is the largest recipient of EU macro-financial assistance to any non-EU country. The European Union has given, on average, over $710 million (€650 million) per year to the country since 2014—almost twice as much as the United States average. “ ref.


    So if his first excuse is no good, and his second excuse is also no good, Why did he hold up the aid?
    Stop being fed from the media teat. It's all fake news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    no who what when?
    It doesn't matter. People can deduce important facts from peripheral information. You are supposed to keep your mouth shut, period. Why are you pretending you dont know that? Everyone else does.
    I wish you could find some talking head, media or print that has castigated Durham for what he's said. Your assumptions mean nothing to me.

    And to make matters worse for your assumptions here are 24 points AG Barr said in two video appearances, on NBC News and at Wall Street Journal’s “CEO Council,”

    https://m.theepochtimes.com/william-...p_3171471.html

    All or most of which are part and parcel of Durham's investigation considering Horowitz submitted his entire report to the DoJ as a criminal referral. Which is here;

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?c48381...inal-referrals

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanger4 View Post
    I wish you could find some talking head, media or print that has castigated Durham for what he's said. Your assumptions mean nothing to me.


    If I found you a few talking heads, would you change your mind? or would you just dismiss them as partisans?


    Assumptions?, presumptions? Be specific. What assumption are you saying I made? If you don't know that ongoing investigations are sacred by now, you have been under a rock for three years.



    And to make matters worse for your assumptions here are 24 points AG Barr said in two video appearances, on NBC News and at Wall Street Journal’s “CEO Council,”
    https://m.theepochtimes.com/william-barr-has-suddenly-become-chatty-and-hes-provided-quite-an-information-dump_3171471.html
    Are we going to start hurling articles at each other now? Please don't do this a lot.
    Many of the 24 points you expect me to account for are Barr's opinion or judgement calls. But Barr is a blatant political appointee, who has no qualms about breaking with almost any convention if it helps the president politically. He is supposed to be the people's advocate. Not the president's. The idea that anyone would point to Barr as an arbiter of truth is crazy to me.

    The article is too long to post in this forum so I briefly addressed some of 24 the points here:
    https://docs.google.com/document/d/e...Dy163dVjMt/pub



    I didn't get through them all. But I don't really think its fair to let an article do your arguing for you. And it's bed time.
    He may have had a point on one or two. But until I learn more I cant really argue against them unless I make it my full time job to do research.
    Last edited by TheLiquidGuy; 12-12-2019 at 11:47 PM.


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    Quote Originally Posted by texan View Post
    As I see it he can hold it up for just about any reason he wants since he sets foreign policy. I will say he did give it to them and Biden wasn't investigated.

    What is your point?
    My point, obviously, is that the reasons he gave were not the real reasons. He lied. Don't you think so?

    You are right. He gave them the aid , after he was caught. I hope you aren’t saying that he held the money for 55 days and by sheer coincidence he released it 2 days after the whistle blower complaint comes out?

    Biden wasn't investigated because Trump was forced to release the aid after he was exposed.

    Can I ask you something. Is what I am saying so far fetched? I mean, we all know that Trump is unconventional in every aspect of his presidency. He was elected because of it. Because of his disregard for the rules. Is it crazy to think that this was just another rule he ignored?

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