Trump is exonerated :)

[atheist4thecause]

Since we need 5 million posts of the same thing, here's my explanation of what exonerates President Trump of any wrongdoing with Ukraine.

In the memorandum of the call, Zelensky noted that Ukraine was “almost ready to buy more [Javelin missiles] from the United States for defense purposes.” Trump responded: “I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine.”

This is clear as day that President Trump is referring to doing something for the USA, not doing something for him personally. There is no other way to see it.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/25/trum...hone-call.html

[FindersKeepers]

The Senate will not dismiss him, obviously, and I think the bottom line reasoning will address that whether or not Trump wanted to use information about Biden to discredit his "potential" opponent in the upcoming election, the fact remains that the only way the information would damage Biden is if corruption really does exist. If no corruption has taken place, Biden has nothing to worry about. If corruption has taken place, the right of Americans to hear that information supersedes Trump's personal desires for reelection as well as the dems desires to quash the information.

In short, Congress cannot insist a sitting president not pursue information that's in the best interest of our citizens. I'm sorry if Trump stepped on the democrats' "little feelers" but it was his right to do so.

Let's also keep in mind that at present, Biden's opponents are only democratic primary candidates. Not Trump. Not yet, maybe not ever.

[hanger4]

The Senate will not dismiss him, obviously, and I think the bottom line reasoning will address that whether or not Trump wanted to use information about Biden to discredit his "potential" opponent in the upcoming election, the fact remains that the only way the information would damage Biden is if corruption really does exist. If no corruption has taken place, Biden has nothing to worry about. If corruption has taken place, the right of Americans to hear that information supersedes Trump's personal desires for reelection as well as the dems desires to quash the information.

In short, Congress cannot insist a sitting president not pursue information that's in the best interest of our citizens. I'm sorry if Trump stepped on the democrat's "little feelers" but it was his right to do so.

Let's also keep in mind that at present, Biden's opponents are only democratic primary candidates. Not Trump. Not yet, maybe not ever.

^^^^ This ^^^^

To make the apparent "Abuse of Power" article stick the House Majority will have to prove Trump's intention was solely to discredit a political rival, which also means the House Majority has to prove the President has no power or right to ask a country's President to help in an investigation into a US citizen/s possible malfeasance.

[MMC]

^^^^ This ^^^^

To make the apparent "Abuse of Power" article stick the House Majority will have to prove Trump's intention was solely to discredit a political rival, which also means the House Majority has to prove the President has no power or right to ask a country's President to help in an investigation into a US citizen/s possible malfeasance.

The Demos wont be about proving anything. They will keep moving the goal posts and make more accusations.

[hanger4]

The Demos wont be about proving anything. They will keep moving the goal posts and make more accusations.

I don't believe they'll be able to at the Senate trial.

[carolina73]

Nothing that the Democrats have is admissible at a real trial.
Real trials are not based on hearsay and suspicions. They are based on facts.


The trial will be short. We are starting our next impeachment campaign for "generic" Democrat if one ever gets into the WhiteHouse again.

[Newpublius]

This is clear as day that President Trump is referring to doing something for the USA, not doing something for him personally. There is no other way to see it.

Fact is the only way asking Ukraine to investigate Bidens could benefit Trump's chances for reelection is if the investigation itself revealed corruption. The US is entangled in foreign affairs and fat is the US must rely on foreign governments to investigate corrupt actions beyond the jurisdictional limits of the US which is frankly within the legitimate scope of Trump's authority to begin with and since Biden isn't actually the Democratic nominee at this juncture, Trump's actions are lawful.

[nathanbforrest45]

The Demos wont be about proving anything. They will keep moving the goal posts and make more accusations.

They don't really think they will remove Trump from office prior to the 2020 election. This entire charade, conducted at taxpayer expense, is to discredit Trump enough so the low information voters vote against him

[atheist4thecause]

Fact is the only way asking Ukraine to investigate Bidens could benefit Trump's chances for reelection is if the investigation itself revealed corruption. The US is entangled in foreign affairs and fat is the US must rely on foreign governments to investigate corrupt actions beyond the jurisdictional limits of the US which is frankly within the legitimate scope of Trump's authority to begin with and since Biden isn't actually the Democratic nominee at this juncture, Trump's actions are lawful.

The bold is too often overlooked. Democratic primaries are not elections. The Supreme Court has ruled on this in the past. Parties don't have to follow rules that Presidential elections would have to follow. That's how the Democratic Party can get away with having Superdelegates. So because there is no election going on, there can be no election gain.

[Newpublius]

The bold is too often overlooked. Democratic primaries are not elections. The Supreme Court has ruled on this in the past. Parties don't have to follow rules that Presidential elections would have to follow. That's how the Democratic Party can get away with having Superdelegates. So because there is no election going on, there can be no election gain.

Indeed and I might add here, even if there were, such would not immunize somebody from investigation. The direct consequence would be the revelation, the incidental consequence would be a benefit to the opponent. If the latter happens, too bad.....don't be corrupt.