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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    So you don't understand social contract.

    If you have a point to make, make it or so long.
    The point is very simple: are you saying that social contract separated the individual from family? Or are you saying that the individual should be separated? THAT lends to anarchy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    The point is very simple: are you saying that social contract separated the individual from family? Or are you saying that the individual should be separated? THAT lends to anarchy.
    The social contract, a theory, or many, that formulated the modern state, replace family, religion, community, the social structure that once protected the individual from the old state. Anarchy? You really don't have a clue what social contract is, yet you keep bringing it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    The social contract, a theory, or many, that formulated the modern state, replace family, religion, community, the social structure that once protected the individual from the old state. Anarchy? You really don't have a clue what social contract is, yet you keep bringing it up.
    Don't test me on social contract/ US constitution/ Magna Carta, etc etc etc, not a theory anymore. How can such replace personal relationships, unless such a contract calls for such separations?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Don't test me on social contract/ US constitution/ Magna Carta, etc etc etc, not a theory anymore. How can such replace personal relationships, unless such a contract calls for such separations?
    Social contract is a theory, or set of theories posited by the likes of Hobbes, Locke, Rousseau. Attempts to implement it in, say, the Constitution, do not make it not a theory.

    According to Rousseau "Man is born free and everywhere is in chains." Those chains are the old social order, the social order that existed right up until the late Middle Ages. The social order of family, religion, community. The social order the social contract aims to free man from, to replace.
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