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Thread: Northam Threatens “Consequences” For 2A Sanctuary Counties, Sheriffs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Retirednsmilin308 View Post
    You are 100% wrong on this.

    May I ask how many AR-15 or AK style rifles and/or Handguns you might own?
    I don't own any weapons. I swore a vow of nonviolence in accordance with my religious and philosophical beliefs almost ten years ago now.
    "Those who produce should have, but we know that those who produce the most — that is, those who work hardest, and at the most difficult and most menial tasks, have the least."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Retirednsmilin308 View Post
    Very true.
    A very small percentage of colonial America fought in the revolution for the same reasons.
    Few want to put their face in the mud for their rights.

    Fortunately, it only take a few dedicated people to make a difference and triumph.

    The fact this Virginia governor is completely wrong, does not hurt their cause.
    That worked back when all anyone had were muskets and cannons, doesn't work so much now when you have an AR-15 and the government has ICBMs.

    Besides, the whole "small number of colonists fought off the British" is a myth, they had help from the French, Spanish, Dutch, and American Indians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    That worked back when all anyone had were muskets and cannons, doesn't work so much now when you have an AR-15 and the government has ICBMs.

    Besides, the whole "small number of colonists fought off the British" is a myth, they had help from the French, Spanish, Dutch, and American Indians.
    Ask the camel jockeys in the Middle East and Afghanistan how they fought off the US Army.

    It is not that hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    I don't own any weapons. I swore a vow of nonviolence in accordance with my religious and philosophical beliefs almost ten years ago now.
    I got a kick out of that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Ask the camel jockeys in the Middle East and Afghanistan how they fought off the US Army.

    It is not that hard.
    If you think any group of Americans can pull that off, I have some swampland in Louisiana to sell you, lol. You have much more faith in Americans than I do I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    I got a kick out of that one.
    Happy to please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    If you think any group of Americans can pull that off, I have some swampland in Louisiana to sell you, lol. You have much more faith in Americans than I do I guess.
    I do have faith in Patriots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    That worked back when all anyone had were muskets and cannons, doesn't work so much now when you have an AR-15 and the government has ICBMs.

    Besides, the whole "small number of colonists fought off the British" is a myth, they had help from the French, Spanish, Dutch, and American Indians.
    Insurgency is different from conventional war. As Peter mentioned, a well armed insurgency that is willing to die for their cause can hold back a much larger conventional force. We eventually negotiated with the Taliban, for example.

    Now, I agree that the likelihood of an equivalent insurgency developing here is very low, but it doesn't change the fact that small arms are very useful for insurgency and resisting larger and better armed forces.

    Historically, we can also see how useful they were against the Nazis when they occupied France. If the French Resistance did not have guns, they would have been almost powerless against the Nazis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rationalist View Post
    Insurgency is different from conventional war. As Peter mentioned, a well armed insurgency that is willing to die for their cause can hold back a much larger conventional force. We eventually negotiated with the Taliban, for example.
    Was that because the Taliban was difficult to fight, or was it because we went in there from the start with no real strategy, no idea who our enemies were, and no idea what our objective was? Because those factors can impact things too.
    Now, I agree that the likelihood of an equivalent insurgency developing here is very low, but it doesn't change the fact that small arms are very useful for insurgency and resisting larger and better armed forces.
    When the Italians came to Ethiopia in the lead-up to WWII, the Ethiopians met them with spears. And, well...it didn't end well for the insurgency.
    Historically, we can also see how useful they were against the Nazis when they occupied France. If the French Resistance did not have guns, they would have been almost powerless against the Nazis.
    Guns obviously, objectively, make you more of a threat than not having guns. That's not really the issue here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    Was that because the Taliban was difficult to fight, or was it because we went in there from the start with no real strategy, no idea who our enemies were, and no idea what our objective was? Because those factors can impact things too.
    Sure, all that plays a part as well, but if the Taliban only had IEDs to work with, they would have lost handily within a few months.

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    When the Italians came to Ethiopia in the lead-up to WWII, the Ethiopians met them with spears. And, well...it didn't end well for the insurgency.
    Well, as you said, they had spears. Spears are no match for guns.

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    Guns obviously, objectively, make you more of a threat than not having guns. That's not really the issue here.
    In a way, I agree. The issue is that an unarmed populace is much easier to oppress than one that is armed.

    If, for example, the Hong Kong protesters had guns, the Chinese government would be faced with a civil war rather than just protests that the Western media awkwardly ignores.

    Guns make the difference in numerous situations, because they are an equalizer in terms of force between individuals.

    It's similar to how they are useful for self-defense against criminals or for home defense.

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