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    Liberals are disingenuous on the climate change issue. They are focused only on the politics. They know that it's not the world ending threat they keep harping about.

    If they were genuinely convinced that man made climate change was going to destro the earth in 10 to 12 years, they'd be harping on Trump and the congress to do something about China as they are the most polluting nation on earth. But nope. Not a peep out of them about the nation creating the biggest threat.

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    China is going through its own industrial revolution, India too. The developing world doesn’t want to stay developing, it wants its share of the apple pie and industrialization means an increase in pollution. The western industrial period has come to an end and western politicians want the current periphery model to stay in place. The third world supplies the raw materials, the developing world makes the goods and we in the first world buy them using the dollar reserve currency. The world is beginning to beat us at our own capitalist game and we’re trying to stop them and limit their ability to produce with tales of the world ending in climate change, trade deals and sanctions.


    We’re seeing the rise of alliances in the developing world; ASEAN and BRICS. Russia, China, India, Turkey and Iran are all cozying up to one another – they contain huge internal populations and potential markets and we’re trying to stop them developing with fairy stories of the world ending. The world didn’t end when we had our industrial revolution. It isn’t going to work and it would benefit us far more if we started to do deals with them and ditch the belief system we’re trying to sell.

    I've always had a problem with font size when posting. This post is using system font size 4, is that readable?








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    Quote Originally Posted by Refugee View Post
    Adding to the long standing debate on whether we’re all going to die because someone else says we will, a little piece of my own separating the science from science fiction and viewing opinions and predictions as just that and minus the ‘scientific’ claims often used as proof.




    Climate activists miss the point that global/cooling/change/disruption is not an exact science. Some scientists say the earth is warming, others that it’s cooling. Some say that humans are responsible, others that the climate has a history of natural changes and that the planet warms and cools in cycles due to sunspots. Others say the sea is rising, others say it isn’t … they’re disputed facts. Climatologists and politicians are people whose livelihood depends on pushing an alarmist agenda.


    Climate activists themselves have a natural tendency to cherry pick the findings of those scientists who agree with them and disregard the findings of others. That’s normal for any single issue agenda SJWs. To prove their point they then cite a percentage of scientists who agree. That is not science, it’s a majority consensus based on predictions which have all turned out to be false. From acid rain, to suffocating fish, droughts, floods, mass starvation and nuclear type winters …





    We do know from historical facts that weather changes in cycles of centuries. We also know that freak weather conditions occurred long before climate change became fashionable. We can see for ourselves that the previous prediction of ice caps melting and flooding the world hasn’t occurred. Which all means that the future predictions of a climate catastrophe are beliefs based on the opinions of others.



    What we can say for certainty is that those behind the climate activists are making lots of money out of it, which is usually an incentive to push any agenda. Starting with Al Gore who made a vast fortune from being completely wrong. This following short article is an interesting read about how the climate hoax arose. Essential five minute reading for those not blinded by various scientific claims and getting back to the basics of profit from fear mongering, which is where it all stems from.


    https://www.heartland.org/news-opini...-warming-fraud


    ‘How Al Gore Built the Global Warming Fraud and changed the alarmism from global cooling to global warming, and now climate change.’


    In the European Union, environmental taxes raised €369 bn ($409bn) in 2017 alone (eurostat). Carbon emission purchase schemes are now estimated to be worth $82bn and rising (climateaction.org). This occurred because those activists pushing the agenda thought that money and politicians could change the earth’s climate.


    I don’t question the sincerity of those caught up in the green revolution hoax, but from cheap imported open borders labour, to political (socialist) collectivism and onto climate change activists and calls for a ‘citizens’ assembly’; when business men and politicians lead revolutions it was always going to be about power and money. The power to further collectivize society based around a single issue and the incentive to profit from it, which is something the Greta’s and new-age adherents have yet to figure out for themselves.


    Doomsday prophecies are nothing new and the climate cooling/warming/change hoax is one in a long list of many. The faithful will always shout that their cause is the real deal, even when the prophecies are proved wrong. That’s the power of persuasion and indoctrination.




    Before we get carried away with the hype and gullibility behind the latest crusade and this time led by children, let’s remind ourselves of previous predictions. If you still believe, so shall it be. I’m left with one puzzling question. Is it global warming or cooling that’s supposed to destroy the world, or is the proliferation of ‘scientific evidence’ so contradictory that no one really knows?





    "Scientists have solid experimental and theoretical evidence to support…the following predictions: In a decade, urban dwellers will have to wear gas masks to survive air pollution…by 1985 air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half…." Life magazine, 1970.


    "The world has been chilling sharply for about twenty years. If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder in the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age." Kenneth Watts, Ecologist, Earth day, 1970.



    "The entire North ‘polarized’ cap will disappear in 5 years." Al Gore, 2006.


    "In fact, climate change is directly related to the growth of terrorism." Bernie Sanders, 2015.


    "We're seeing entire communities being decimated by the climate crisis …" Greta Thunberg, 2019.
    I was wondering who is responsible for writing the OP? It is propaganda. There isn't a bit of science in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    Liberals are disingenuous on the climate change issue. They are focused only on the politics. They know that it's not the world ending threat they keep harping about.

    If they were genuinely convinced that man made climate change was going to destro the earth in 10 to 12 years, they'd be harping on Trump and the congress to do something about China as they are the most polluting nation on earth. But nope. Not a peep out of them about the nation creating the biggest threat.
    What can we do about China? All we can do is ask them to reduce their carbon emissions. China's carbon emissions are expected to peak within 5 years and they are building nuclear power plants and investing in renewable energy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skepticalmike View Post
    What can we do about China? All we can do is ask them to reduce their carbon emissions. China's carbon emissions are expected to peak within 5 years and they are building nuclear power plants and investing in renewable energy.

    You are missing the point. If the climate screamers truly believed their rhetoric they’d be demanding that we address the two most environmentally damaging nations on earth. The fact that they aren’t at all concerned about those who are truly causing the vast majority of the world’s pollution exposes them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    You are missing the point. If the climate screamers truly believed their rhetoric they’d be demanding that we address the two most environmentally damaging nations on earth. The fact that they aren’t at all concerned about those who are truly causing the vast majority of the world’s pollution exposes them.

    You are assuming that they aren't concerned. In the future there probably will be penalties involving trade restrictions or tariffs among countries that don't make significant progress reducing carbon dioxide emissions. The European union has reduced carbon emissions 23% since 1990. The U.S. has not reduced its carbon emissions since 1990; they are about the same. The U.S. and many other countries are net importers of goods from China so we share some of the blame for China's emissions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skepticalmike View Post
    You are assuming that they aren't concerned. In the future there probably will be penalties involving trade restrictions or tariffs among countries that don't make significant progress reducing carbon dioxide emissions. The European union has reduced carbon emissions 23% since 1990. The U.S. has not reduced its carbon emissions since 1990; they are about the same. The U.S. and many other countries are net importers of goods from China so we share some of the blame for China's emissions.
    I’ve never heard a peep from the climate screamers about China and India. The only thing they complain about is American industry. Well, that and rich people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skepticalmike View Post
    I was wondering who is responsible for writing the OP? It is propaganda. There isn't a bit of science in it.


    I wrote it. Unless specified otherwise and I’d include the source, I write all my own stuff. It’s only propaganda to the believers who choose to accept the narrative of those scientists that fit their beliefs. Trumps a Nazi, everyone’s a racist, N. Korea is going to nuke America and onto the end of the world is nigh … It’s all been ‘proven’ to those who believe. If there really was going to be a ‘climate catastrophe’, the politicians wouldn’t just be sitting on their backsides having meetings on how to increase taxes. How many decades more will you keep on believing for?


    China and other countries will have their industrial revolutions whether we like it or not and not stay third-world or developing because we want to maintain an economic dominance over them.


    Look at the video again on page 1 post 9. That’s the alternative scientific version, but disregarded because it doesn’t fit your beliefs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by skepticalmike View Post
    You are assuming that they aren't concerned. In the future there probably will be penalties involving trade restrictions or tariffs among countries that don't make significant progress reducing carbon dioxide emissions. The European union has reduced carbon emissions 23% since 1990. The U.S. has not reduced its carbon emissions since 1990; they are about the same. The U.S. and many other countries are net importers of goods from China so we share some of the blame for China's emissions.
    I’m looking forward to the wishful attempt to lower carbon emissions to zero level in the next 20/30 years and what happens then? Does the catastrophe not happen, does it go away, or will the shrieks of doom continue?










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    Quote Originally Posted by Refugee View Post
    I’m looking forward to the wishful attempt to lower carbon emissions to zero level in the next 20/30 years and what happens then? Does the catastrophe not happen, does it go away, or will the shrieks of doom continue?


    Of course the shrieking would continue. They'd just create another villain.

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