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    Post This Is What Life Without Retirement Savings Looks Like

    This Is What Life Without Retirement Savings Looks Like -- Many seniors are stuck with lives of never-ending work—a fate that could befall millions in the coming decades.

    Roberta Gordon never thought she’d still be alive at age 76. She definitely didn’t think she’d still be working. But every Saturday, she goes down to the local grocery store and hands out samples, earning $50 a day, because she needs the money.
    More and more older people are finding themselves in a similar situation as Baby Boomers reach retirement age without enough savings and as housing costs and medical expenses rise; for instance, a woman in her 80s is paying on average $8,400 in out-of-pocket medical expenses each year, even if she’s covered by Medicare. Many people reaching retirement age don’t have the pensions that lots of workers in previous generations did, and often have not put enough money into their 401(k)s to live off of; the median savings in a 401(k) plan for people between the ages of 55 and 64 is currently just $15,000, according to the National Institute on Retirement Security, a nonprofit. Other workers did not have access to a retirement plan through their employer.

    That means that as people reach their mid-60s, they either have to dramatically curtail their spending or keep working to survive. “This will be the first time that we have a lot of people who find themselves downwardly mobile as they grow older,” Diane Oakley, the executive director of the National Institute on Retirement Security, told me. “They’re going to go from being near poor to poor.”

    The problem is growing as more Baby Boomers reach retirement age—as of early 2018, between 8,000 to 10,000 Americans turn 65 every day, according to Kevin Prindiville, the executive director of Justice in Aging, a nonprofit that addresses senior poverty. Older Americans were the only demographic for whom poverty rates increased in a statistically significant way between 2015 and 2016, according to Census Bureau data. While poverty fell among people 18 and under and people 18 to 64 between 2015 and 2016, it rose to 14.5 percent for people over 65, according to the Census Bureau’s Supplemental Poverty Measure, which is considered a more accurate measure of poverty because it takes into account health-care costs and other big expenses. “In the early decades of our work, we were serving communities that had been poor when they were younger,” Prindiville told me. “Increasingly, we’re seeing folks who are becoming poor for the first time in old age.”

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    There is a lot of sadness in the world isn't there?

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    There is.
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    Investing and planning for retirement should be a required course in every high school. I know too many people who have little to no savings and who live beyond their means in this instant-gratification society we live in.

    This Christmas, I volunteered at the local Senior Center where we served a free meal to anyone who wanted it. I've noticed in years past -- as I noticed again this year -- that some of the poorest families had kids wearing expensive athletic shoes and playing on their I-Phones. They don't understand why it's wrong to buy those items when they have a hard time putting food on the table. Today's kids -- and even adults -- just don't plan well for the future.
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    You're right, they don't. My kids both went to a local med school for Pharmacy. (the youngest is starting her last semester in a week) They have a required financial management course. It covers personal finances, retirement planning etc. When I was in HS we were required to take a class about handling a check book, budgeting, taxes, doing a basic return etc.

    Those are all good ideas.
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    We are well off. I will use my social security to pay for business class tickets to Europe for vacation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    We are well off. I will use my social security to pay for business class tickets to Europe for vacation.
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    The loss of well-paid jobs and the recession have had a huge impact on millions of boomers - from the same article:

    "The retirement-savings system in the United States has three pillars: Social Security, employer-sponsored pensions or retirement-savings plans, and individual savings. But with the rise of less stable jobs and the decline of pensions, a larger share of older Americans are relying only on Social Security, without either of the two other pillars to contribute to their finances. This by definition means they have less money than they did when they were working: Social Security replaces only about 40 percent of an average wage earner’s income when they retire, while financial advisors say that retirees need at least 70 percent of their pre-retirement earnings to live comfortably."

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    "The recession and economic trends in the years since have also worsened the finances of millions of seniors. Some bought homes during the housing boom and then found they owed more on their homes than they were worth, and had to walk away. Others invested in the stock market and saw their investments shrink dramatically. Jackie Matthews, now 76, lost her investments during the recession, and then had to sell her Arizona home in a short sale, netting only $3,000. She now lives near her family in Southern California, renting a room in a friend’s apartment, and budgets her finances carefully, skimping on meat and never buying anything new."


    The article also notes that wage stagnation in the bottom 80% of workers is also preventing people from saving.
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    I could see some basic course in financial management, in highschool say, otherwise you have to depend on the example of others or stories like "The Ant and the Grasshopper."
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    Another factor that is affecting retirement savings is a tendency for many businesses today to purge workers over the age of 50, despite age discrimination legislation. While this is most common in the tech industry, it is increasing in other industries as well.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/13/olde...protected.html
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/deborah.../#4b555e7b6d0e
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