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Thread: The Extinction of Ice Age Mammals May Have Led to the Rise of Civilization

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    I wouldn't either. It's just a matter of creating the preconditions which I think agriculture did but it took millennia for the state to develop after the the first agricultural communities appeared. I guess one can speak to "proto-states" or a concept like that but this is lost in the mists of time. All we can know for sure is when the state as we understand the term is first attested in the archaeological record.

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    I would use the word sedentarism to indicate the beginnings or preconditions for agriculture. Foragers, who were nomadic, began to stay in one location and started planting and domesticating (even themselves), and out of that emerged agriculture, cities that needed bean counters and military to survive. Between sedentarism and agriculture took millennia. Maybe I am emphasizing culture too much in agriculture.
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    Speaking of how long the Neolithic revolution took, From foraging to farming: the 10,000-year revolution

    ...the transition to agriculture was far from rapid. The period around 14,500 years ago has been regarded as the point at which the first indications appear of cultural change associated with agriculture: the exploitation of wild grains and the construction of stone buildings. Farming is believed to have begun in what is known as the Fertile Crescent in the Levant region, which stretches from northern Egypt through Israel and Jordan to the shores of the Persian Gulf, and then occurred independently in other regions of the world at different times from 11,000 years ago.

    Recent evidence, however, has suggested that the first stirrings of the revolution began even earlier, perhaps as far back as 19,000 years ago....

    ...Over the past four years, their research has uncovered dramatic evidence of changes in the behaviour of hunter-gatherers that casts new light on agriculture’s origins, as Dr Stock described: “Our work suggests that these hunter-gatherer communities were starting to congregate in large numbers in specific places, build architecture and show more-complex ritual and symbolic burial practices – signs of a greater attachment to a location and a changing pattern of social complexity that imply they were on the trajectory toward agriculture.”

    ...The team’s discoveries extend many aspects of the behavioural complexity associated with the Neolithic to about 10,000 years earlier, pushing back the true roots of the transition to agriculture.

    “On evolutionary timescales, the transition to agriculture can undoubtedly be regarded in revolutionary terms,” said Dr Stock. “But, we can now see this as a culturally dynamic process that began much earlier than previously thought.”
    Does this challenge the OP theory?
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