Soleimani Was In Iraq In An Official Diplomatic Capacity

[Ethereal]

According to Iraq's prime minster, when Soleimani was assassinated in Iraq, he was there in an official diplomatic capacity, with the permission and invitation of Iraq's sovereign government:

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...Mahdi said President Donald Trump called him and asked him to mediate with Iran even as the American president was secretly ordering Soleimani’s killing. Mahdi also said he was set to meet Soleimani, who was carrying a response to an initiative from Saudi Arabia intended to deescalate tensions...

So, far from being involved in some "imminent" plot against US persons and/or property, Soleimani was in Iraq for purposes of diplomacy.

No wonder Trump never even bothered to consult with the congress before launching this ill-conceived assassination.

It also remains to be seen if Trump himself was in any way involved in luring Soleimani into Iraq for the purpose of assassinating him. If true, it would be an outrageous violation of all civilized laws and norms.

[Cletus]

According to Iraq's prime minster, when Soleimani was assassinated in Iraq, he was there in an official diplomatic capacity, with the permission and invitation of Iraq's sovereign government:

Not even a little bit relevant.

[Admiral Ackbar]

Seriously? The man was a terroist thug and he played the big game of killing others. You play that game you take the risk. I am for one glad he is splattered all over that runway. Hopefully the dogs and pigs are eating up the chunks of flesh and $#@! them out into a cest pool

[countryboy]

According to Iraq's prime minster, when Soleimani was assassinated in Iraq, he was there in an official diplomatic capacity, with the permission and invitation of Iraq's sovereign government:



So, far from being involved in some "imminent" plot against US persons and/or property, Soleimani was in Iraq for purposes of diplomacy.

No wonder Trump never even bothered to consult with the congress before launching this ill-conceived assassination.

It also remains to be seen if Trump himself was in any way involved in luring Soleimani into Iraq for the purpose of assassinating him. If true, it would be an outrageous violation of all civilized laws and norms.

He's been killing Americans for literally decades. Who gives a $#@!? Assuming your story is even true.

[Ethereal]

Not even a little bit relevant.

You wish that were true.

But this basically blows up the Trump administration's dubious claim that Soleimani was involved in some "imminent" plot against US persons or property. In reality, Soleimani was in Iraq to meet with Iraq's prime minister. That's why he was there. Now all that remains to be seen is whether or not Trump was involved in luring Soleimani into Iraq for the purpose of assassinating him. Such an enormity would be impossible for the international community to countenance.

[Ethereal]

Seriously? The man was a terroist thug and he played the big game of killing others. You play that game you take the risk. I am for one glad he is splattered all over that runway. Hopefully the dogs and pigs are eating up the chunks of flesh and $#@! them out into a cest pool

Yes, seriously.

Soleimani was in Iraq in an official diplomatic capacity, with the permission and invitation of Iraq's sovereign government. Specifically, Soleimani was there to meet with Iraq's prime minster and receive an offer for deescalation from Saudi Arabia.

These newly revealed facts totally blow up the Trump administration's claim that Soleimani was in Iraq furthering some "imminent" plot against US persons and/or property. In reality, he was going there to attend a diplomatic meeting with Iraq's head of state.

Naturally, I do not expect Trump supporters to appreciate the niceties of civilized laws and norms. But for the rest of the forum community, these facts are likely to shock and disturb.

[Ethereal]

He's been killing Americans for literally decades. Who gives a $#@!? Assuming your story is even true.

The Trump administration's stated legal basis for assassinating Soleimani isn't based on Soleimani's past behavior. It's based on the claim that Soleimani posed an "imminent" threat to US persons and/or property. In reality, Soleimani was in Iraq to meet with Iraq's prime minister, blowing up the Trump administration's flimsy legal basis for the attack. I realize that Trump supporters are not the least bit interested in the legality of this act. For them, Trump can do basically whatever he wants. But for everyone else, AKA the large majority of the human race, these things matter.

[Cletus]

You wish that were true.

I know it is true. His status as a guest in Iraq is not the least bit relevant and I am certain was not even a consideration in the decision to remove him from the field. It doesn't change anything from a legal standpoint. It doesn't change anything from a tactical or strategic standpoint.

But this basically blows up the Trump administration's dubious claim that Soleimani was involved in some "imminent" plot against US persons or property. In reality, Soleimani was in Iraq to meet with Iraq's prime minister.

"In reality" or "Officially"?

Again, it is of no importance.

That's why he was there. Not all that remains to be seen is whether or not Trump was involved in luring Soleimani into Iraq for the purpose of assassinating him. Such an enormity would be impossible for the international community to countenance.

Look at you... using big words like a grownup.

Here's a hint, that doesn't really bolster your argument. Just so you know... UN Security Council Resolution 2231, passed in 2015 prohibited Soleimani from traveling outside of Iran. I believe Obama arranged for the sanction to be lifted in the year 2023. Anyway you look at it he was in violation of a UN Security Council sanction. I doubt the "international community" is going to raise to much Hell about offing him.

I'll help you out... his name is on page 3 of the list of personnel not permitted to travel outside of Iran. Here is the entry.

IRi.039 Name: 1: QASEM 2: SOLEIMANI 3: na 4: naTitle: na Designation: a) Brigadier General b) Commander of Qods force DOB: 11 Mar. 1957 POB: Qom,Iran (Islamic Republic of) Good quality a.k.a.: Qasim Soleimani; Qasem Sulaimani; Qasim Sulaimani; QasimSulaymani; Qasem Sulaymani; Kasim Soleimani; Kasim Sulaimani; Kasim Sulaymani Low quality a.k.a.: HajQasem; Haji Qassem; Sardar Soleimani Nationality: na Passport no: number 008827, issued in Iran (IslamicRepublic of) National identification no: na Address: na Listed on: 24 Mar. 2007 (amended on 17 Dec. 2014) Other information: Promoted to Major General, retaining his position as Commander of Qods force. [Old Reference# I.47.D.6]

He was being a bad boy just by being in Iraq.

[Admiral Ackbar]

Yes, seriously.

Soleimani was in Iraq in an official diplomatic capacity, with the permission and invitation of Iraq's sovereign government. Specifically, Soleimani was there to meet with Iraq's prime minster and receive an offer for deescalation from Saudi Arabia.

These newly revealed facts totally blow up the Trump administration's claim that Soleimani was in Iraq furthering some "imminent" plot against US persons and/or property. In reality, he was going there to attend a diplomatic meeting with Iraq's head of state.

Naturally, I do not expect Trump supporters to appreciate the niceties of civilized laws and norms. But for the rest of the forum community, these facts are likely to shock and disturb.

That is sactimonious crap. He was a combantant that orchestrated an attack on our embassy which is an act of war. It doesnt matter if he was on a "diplomatic mission" or not. As a uniformed member of the military he was fair game. To dammed bad the TDS side of this can see straight. Would Bin Laden be off limits if he was meeting with Taliban leaders in Afghanistan on a "diplomatic" mission. I would argue this POS was a more legit target than Bin Laden. BTW Barrack Hussein sent in 100's of drone strikes with out talking to Congress.

[Ethereal]

I know it is true. His status as a guest in Iraq is not the least bit relevant and I am certain was not even a consideration in the decision to remove him from the field. It doesn't change anything from a legal standpoint. It doesn't change anything from a tactical or strategic standpoint.

"In reality" or "Officially"?

Again, it is of no importance.

It is of no importance to Trump cultists such as yourself. But to the overwhelming majority of the world, it is of great importance.

Look at you... using big words like a grownup.

Here's a hint, that doesn't really bolster your argument. Just so you know... UN Security Council Resolution 2231, passed in 2015 prohibited Soleimani from traveling outside of Iran. I believe Obama arranged for the sanction to be lifted in the year 2023. Anyway you look at it he was in violation of a UN Security Council sanction. I doubt the "international community" is going to raise to much Hell about offing him.

I'll help you out... his name is on page 3 of the list of personnel not permitted to travel outside of Iran. Here is the entry.

IRi.039 Name: 1: QASEM 2: SOLEIMANI 3: na 4: naTitle: na Designation: a) Brigadier General b) Commander of Qods force DOB: 11 Mar. 1957 POB: Qom,Iran (Islamic Republic of) Good quality a.k.a.: Qasim Soleimani; Qasem Sulaimani; Qasim Sulaimani; QasimSulaymani; Qasem Sulaymani; Kasim Soleimani; Kasim Sulaimani; Kasim Sulaymani Low quality a.k.a.: HajQasem; Haji Qassem; Sardar Soleimani Nationality: na Passport no: number 008827, issued in Iran (IslamicRepublic of) National identification no: na Address: na Listed on: 24 Mar. 2007 (amended on 17 Dec. 2014) Other information: Promoted to Major General, retaining his position as Commander of Qods force. [Old Reference# I.47.D.6]

He was being a bad boy just by being in Iraq.

Look at you, citing international law like a civilized human being.

Here's a hint: That doesn't really bolster your argument. Because nothing in that resolution expresses or implies a death penalty for violating it. Nor does it give the US president any authority to unilaterally mete out a punishment. Because not only did Trump fail to consult with the UN Security Council before taking this rash and foolish action, he failed to even consult with the US congress.