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    Obama campaign guru: Trump would love to run against Bernie

    Obama campaign guru: Trump would love to run against Bernie

    With a surging economy and record market Bernie the socialist would likely be another Mondale.

    Barack Obama’s 2012 campaign manager is warning that Democrats would struggle in a general election against Donald Trump if Bernie Sanders is the nominee.

    In an interview with POLITICO, Jim Messina predicted that Trump would exploit Sanders’ stamp of socialism in battleground states needed to defeat Trump, keep control of the House and have a shot at winning the Senate.

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    Obama and his people have been trying to take down Bernie and protect the establishment candidates since the race started, that’s all this is.
    "Those who produce should have, but we know that those who produce the most — that is, those who work hardest, and at the most difficult and most menial tasks, have the least."
    - Eugene V. Debs (1855-1926), five-time Socialist Party candidate for U.S. President

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    Obama and his people have been trying to take down Bernie and protect the establishment candidates since the race started, that’s all this is.
    I don't think the 'Socialism' moniker would hurt Bernie. Especially since he'll get to define the term if he got the nomination.

    I don't think his policies would get back the Indies that took a chance on trump. They might not vote at all, but I would hope that they do so because they realize the importance of getting rid of trump.

    He'll get the kids for sure, but his policies aren't viable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    Obama and his people have been trying to take down Bernie and protect the establishment candidates since the race started, that’s all this is.
    Bernie Sanders has been in Washington DC long enough to be considered an establishment candidate.

    They don't want Sanders as the nominee for one reason and one reason only. He'll get crushed in a national election.

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    For the longest time I loved Bernie's platform. But then the notion that "Only Biden beats Trump" started to matter more as Trump's antics --at first humorous-- grew morbidly serious. That lasted a few months until I realized that excitement is what will win the election. Bernie's followers truly love him. He excites them like no other candidate. He's genuine and dedicated to resecting corruption. If anyone is incorruptible, it is him.

    He calls himself a "democratic socialist" but he is not as far left as his opponents want you to believe. His socialism is not an all-or-nothing deal. IMHO, he has embraced that tag in order to disarm his opponent's unfair characterization of him.

    There are many successful mixed economy systems in the world. I cannot speak authoritatively on Venezuela. But implementing socialism is only one possible explanation for their trouble. Severe corruption is a better fit, given how oil-rich nations are susceptible to such things and the fact that many other countries with socialist leaning policies around the world are making a successful go of it. Canada, Sweden, Norway all have degrees of socialism. To a lesser extent, even America does. Bernie and I think it could use a little more.

    Bernie doesn't want socialist county. He wants to pick and choose the parts of socialism that have been shown to work elsewhere and bring them here. Like medicare for all.

    Trump was right. America will never be a socialist country. Not even under Bernie. But we could adopt a few good pieces of it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    For the longest time I loved Bernie's platform. But then the notion that "Only Biden beats Trump" started to matter more as Trump's antics --at first humorous-- grew morbidly serious. That lasted a few months until I realized that excitement is what will win the election. Bernie's followers truly love him. He excites them like no other candidate. He's genuine and dedicated to resecting corruption. If anyone is incorruptible, it is him.

    He calls himself a "democratic socialist" but he is not as far left as his opponents want you to believe. His socialism is not an all-or-nothing deal. IMHO, he has embraced that tag in order to disarm his opponent's unfair characterization of him.

    There are many successful mixed economy systems in the world. I cannot speak authoritatively on Venezuela. But implementing socialism is only one possible explanation for their trouble. Severe corruption is a better fit, given how oil-rich nations are susceptible to such things and the fact that many other countries with socialist leaning policies around the world are making a successful go of it. Canada, Sweden, Norway all have degrees of socialism. To a lesser extent, even America does. Bernie and I think it could use a little more.

    Bernie doesn't want socialist county. He wants to pick and choose the parts of socialism that have been shown to work elsewhere and bring them here. Like medicare for all.

    Trump was right. America will never be a socialist country. Not even under Bernie. But we could adopt a few good pieces of it.
    Market economies can adopt sodalist programs. That is what we see today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    For the longest time I loved Bernie's platform. But then the notion that "Only Biden beats Trump" started to matter more as Trump's antics --at first humorous-- grew morbidly serious. That lasted a few months until I realized that excitement is what will win the election. Bernie's followers truly love him. He excites them like no other candidate. He's genuine and dedicated to resecting corruption. If anyone is incorruptible, it is him.

    He calls himself a "democratic socialist" but he is not as far left as his opponents want you to believe. His socialism is not an all-or-nothing deal. IMHO, he has embraced that tag in order to disarm his opponent's unfair characterization of him.

    There are many successful mixed economy systems in the world. I cannot speak authoritatively on Venezuela. But implementing socialism is only one possible explanation for their trouble. Severe corruption is a better fit, given how oil-rich nations are susceptible to such things and the fact that many other countries with socialist leaning policies around the world are making a successful go of it. Canada, Sweden, Norway all have degrees of socialism. To a lesser extent, even America does. Bernie and I think it could use a little more.

    Bernie doesn't want socialist county. He wants to pick and choose the parts of socialism that have been shown to work elsewhere and bring them here. Like medicare for all.

    Trump was right. America will never be a socialist country. Not even under Bernie. But we could adopt a few good pieces of it.
    Bernie will have the kids' vote, which is typically not a voting demographic. He'll have all Democrats. Independents decide all elections, and I'm guessing that the kids typically fall into this category.

    I like his idea for a small fee on every Wall St. transaction in order to raise money. I don't believe MFA is something that can be achieved any time soon. I'd push for a public option and let people keep private insurance if they want it.

    The free college isn't going to happen. It makes no sense, especially in our current economy. Thousands and thousands of kids are working in jobs that have absolutely nothing to do with their degrees. I'd be more inclined to push trade school tuition, as the future of our jobs market will be in service/healthcare.

    Bernie's problem is that he's a curmudgeon. I don't know if that's the look we need in any debates that trump might agree to have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    Bernie will have the kids' vote, which is typically not a voting demographic. He'll have all Democrats. Independents decide all elections, and I'm guessing that the kids typically fall into this category.

    I like his idea for a small fee on every Wall St. transaction in order to raise money. I don't believe MFA is something that can be achieved any time soon. I'd push for a public option and let people keep private insurance if they want it.
    I am not sure the public option idea can work. If the public option is a cheaper alternative then the private sector will force all their high risk customers into the gov't pool. With only high risk customers, the govt system will be over burdened. Private insurers will barely have to pay any claims and govt will have to pay most claims.

    The free college isn't going to happen. It makes no sense, especially in our current economy. Thousands and thousands of kids are working in jobs that have absolutely nothing to do with their degrees. I'd be more inclined to push trade school tuition, as the future of our jobs market will be in service/healthcare.
    Bernie's problem is that he's a curmudgeon. I don't know if that's the look we need in any debates that trump might agree to have.
    He's not grouchy. He's not angry with people. He's angry with corporate control of government.

    The look we need is principled, honest, forthcoming. The look we need is someone not beholden to large corporations.

    I am not sure there is any way for Trump to attack Bernie.
    He can call him a socialist. But all Bernie would need to do is define it. The other thing Trump can do is call Bernie a rich hypocrite. The proper response would be:
    "If I thought I could give up most of my money and it would cure the inequity in this country, I would write a check tomorrow."

    I don't know what else.

    Trump is so exposed in a debate that he is floating not doing one.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    I am not sure the public option idea can work. If the public option is a cheaper alternative then the private sector will force all their high risk customers into the gov't pool. With only high risk customers, the govt system will be over burdened. Private insurers will barely have to pay any claims and govt will have to pay most claims.
    That's an interesting thought, but I don't think it will work out that way. Let's not forget that Medicare currently has the highest risk demographic in the industry. Any input would improve that, and I envision younger and healthier people who don't take meds, don't really go to doctors being happy to pay 1/2 what they would in the private sector. I think it creates competition for that high profit demographic, and it might actually bring private insurance down.

    Now, my idea would be to couple a PO with a re funding of ACA, which was devastated by House Republicans from the outset. Stabilize the industry, and work from there.



    He's not grouchy. He's not angry with people. He's angry with corporate control of government.
    News flash. Corporations own this govt. forever. Anyone who believes that they will release their hold on their investment is crazy. Even if Bernie is the candidate, corporate money is going to determine the election. He has no control over that, and Citizens United guarantees that.

    The look we need is principled, honest, forthcoming. The look we need is someone not beholden to large corporations.
    Wash, rinse repeat. We keep hearing that, and then the winner of the election enters the White House. Who do you think comes calling?

    I am not sure there is any way for Trump to attack Bernie.
    He can call him a socialist. But all Bernie would need to do is define it. The other thing Trump can do is call Bernie a rich hypocrite. The proper response would be:
    "If I thought I could give up most of my money and it would cure the inequity in this country, I would write a check tomorrow."

    I don't know what else.

    Trump is so exposed in a debate that he is floating not doing one.
    trump attacks everyone, and tries to win the discussion in one minute increments. Of course he's exposed in a debate. He won't do ANY.

    But, the argument against Bernie (not attesting to validity, just predicting)

    You couldn't even get medicare for all in Vt.. How do you think you'll get it across the country?

    Didn't your wife falsify documents in order to obtain funding for her plans for that college she put out of business?

    Have you accomplished anything as senator in all of your years?

    And then the cookie cutter anti tax rhetoric.
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    With a surging economy and record market Bernie the socialist would likely be another Mondale?

    All of those people on stage will be Mondale!

    Generic Candidates always have fairly goo rating because they are not running against a generic candidate from the other side. Last time we saw 12 against 1 and this time it was mote like 20 against 1. When it comes down to 1 against 1 then we will see new dirt against the opponent and the same old things against Trump.

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