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    What Is the Constitution For?

    I've often said the founders stood astride the old social order and the modern stateful one. What Is the Constitution For? speaks to that and introduces the social contract step forward with the Constitution. We've taken strides since then.

    ...The U.S. Constitution gives fewer powers to the rulers than do most constitutions, for two reasons: First, Americans sought less from government than do many peoples—they already had families, churches, local communities, and especially customs that helped them lead the kind of lives they wanted to lead. Second, Americans already had governments—in their states. The American Constitution is not the rules that order our society. It is not, itself, even the rules that order our government. It is the rules that govern our national (federal) government, and that are intended to keep that government within its proper bounds.

    A constitution establishes rules for governing a people. So, before there can be a constitution there first must be a people. And Americans had been forming themselves into peoples before they even came to America. For many years religious dissenting Puritans in England had been entering into “church covenants” to govern their congregations in the face of intolerance from the established Church of England. In the Mayflower Compact, Puritans did the same in America, combining into a “Civil Body Politic” and agreeing to abide by such laws as they thereafter deemed best for the common good. Next came laws, including constitutional laws establishing the forms and powers of the legislature, courts, and so on. American colonists formed many peoples and lived under many colonial “charters” that served as rules for governance, as well as their own customary or common law.

    When war with Great Britain came, the colonists had to work together to win independence. They established Articles of Confederation to facilitate cooperation among the (sovereign but embattled) states. After independence was won, however, many Americans came to blame the weak confederal government for trade wars, tax revolts, and bad economic times at home, as well as an inability to command respect abroad. The Constitutional Convention was called to address these problems. Some at that convention (including James Madison) wanted a consolidated, national government to forge strong policies and protect individuals, in particular, from often small-minded states and localities. But Madison admitted defeat on this point when the convention rejected his idea of a national veto power over state legislation. Instead, the Constitution we got was clearly aimed at solving specific problems facing Americans, without destroying the essential role and powers of the states.

    ...Ours is a limited and rather “negative” constitution, as concerned with controlling as enabling the national government because it sits atop and in a manner incorporates more local institutions and traditions....

    ...It is no grand scheme for national empire, or for destroying our primary communities in the name of an individualism that would leave people at the mercy of national courts and politicians. It is important, and great, precisely because it recognizes that people and their rights are social by nature, and must remain rooted in their communities if we are to enjoy the benefits of ordered liberty under the rule of law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    I've often said the founders stood astride the old social order and the modern stateful one. What Is the Constitution For? speaks to that and introduces the social contract step forward with the Constitution. We've taken strides since then.



    Once was, used to be.
    It seems to me, just observation, that we need civics classes in HS again. Knowing the Constitution and how our government is supposed to work seems more important than much of what is taught in history class. Most people could not be part of a discussion such as this because they lack the basic ( 2 plus 2=4 ) knowledge to entertain serious opinions about a document that is ignored by our leaders every day.
    How would some HS graduate today know that? I believe that the majority of them see politics as an "us vs them" "R" vs ""D affair and don't even realize their is a code they are supposed to follow , much less how they break that code.
    Somehow I gotta think that the lack of good education concerning civics/the Constitution is linked to "Every Child Left Behind"

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