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    Ah, so that's the trick here, outlaw money and instantly create the imaginary post-scarcity society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Ah, so that's the trick here, outlaw money and instantly create the imaginary post-scarcity society.
    WTF are you babbling about?
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    The OP asks what would happen if we create "Star Trek" like replicators- that is what would create a post scarcity society. Then there would be no need for money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    The OP asks what would happen if we create "Star Trek" like replicators- that is what would create a post scarcity society. Then there would be no need for money.
    Is there anyone besides Chris who did not understand that?
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    The title to the thread: "What would people do if money went away?"

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Ah, so that's the trick here, outlaw money and instantly create the imaginary post-scarcity society.
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    The OP asks what would happen if we create "Star Trek" like replicators- that is what would create a post scarcity society. Then there would be no need for money.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Is there anyone besides Chris who did not understand that?

    Seem I understood, Who will understand--what about you?


    Post-scarce scarcity is imaginary. Think in terms of space--space is always scarce for no two people can occupy the same space so there will be contention for that. Think in terms of time--you can perform only one action at a time--time is always scarce. Work, no two people can perform the same work--work too is always scarce. What happens when two want the same good or service? On and one. You have to eliminate not just money but reality to achieve post-scarcity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    The OP asks what would happen if we create "Star Trek" like replicators- that is what would create a post scarcity society. Then there would be no need for money.
    I was also responding to Who here:

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Then it's rather odd that the people who contribute the most to all forms of advancement, whether it be science or technology, are often making very little money. Many discoveries come out of universities, from the efforts of unpaid students. People have more than one currency. Among the academic 'class', money is not really the driving force. It's the subject matter that drives them and the big corporations are only too happy to trade donations for exclusive rights to those discoveries. I have yet to meet a wealthy programmer or research scientist.

    While money is a useful carrot to dangle in front of people in a world where you need money to live, if there were no such thing as money, would people just stay in bed all day?
    It's a common theme of hers, no money, automation (replicators here), post-scarcity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    But in this society, everyone's every material need can be satisfied by the replicators - from food to goods. Energy comes at no price at all and that combined with the atmosphere can make anything you want, so there is no need to barter, other than for things with some other kind of intrinsic value, like original art, or a meal prepared by a famous chef or a rare antique.
    I am afraid that thought is too abstract for me to follow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    I was also responding to Who here:



    It's a common theme of hers, no money, automation (replicators here), post-scarcity.
    It's where we are headed. It's the direction that our scientific research is taking. 3D printing and in particular printing organs is like a sign post for things to come.

    Furthermore, there has been a fairly recent technological breakthrough that is even closer to the Star Trek replicator: https://www.forbes.com/sites/ericmac.../#149d90a5520f
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    Quote Originally Posted by Retirednsmilin308 View Post
    I am afraid that thought is too abstract for me to follow.
    Did you ever watch Star Trek?
    In quoting my post, you affirm and agree that you have not been goaded, provoked, emotionally manipulated or otherwise coerced into responding.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    It's where we are headed. It's the direction that our scientific research is taking. 3D printing and in particular printing organs is like a sign post for things to come.

    Furthermore, there has been a fairly recent technological breakthrough that is even closer to the Star Trek replicator: https://www.forbes.com/sites/ericmac.../#149d90a5520f

    Marx believed that as well:

    Karl Marx, in a section of his Grundrisse that came to be known as the "Fragment on Machines",[23][24] argued that the transition to a post-capitalist society combined with advances in automation would allow for significant reductions in labor needed to produce necessary goods, eventually reaching a point where all people would have significant amounts of leisure time to pursue science, the arts, and creative activities; a state some commentators later labeled as "post-scarcity".[25] Marx argued that capitalism—the dynamic of economic growth based on capital accumulation—depends on exploiting the surplus labor of workers, but a post-capitalist society would allow for:

    The free development of individualities, and hence not the reduction of necessary labour time so as to posit surplus labour, but rather the general reduction of the necessary labour of society to a minimum, which then corresponds to the artistic, scientific etc. development of the individuals in the time set free, and with the means created, for all of them.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-scarcity_economy, the quote is from Marx, Karl (1973). Grundrisse: Foundations of the Critique of Political Economy.


    Interesting to find once again that Marx was an individualist.


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