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    Post Sanity at Last: Court Refuses to Require use of “identified” Pronouns

    Federal Court Refuses to Require use of identified Personal Pronouns — this is not unexpected in my opinion. Read the opinion and then read the article. I have attached both links.

    "First, no authority supports the proposition that we may require litigants, judges, court personnel, or anyone else to refer to gender-dysphoric litigants with pronouns matching their subjective gender identity."

    http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions...-40016-CR0.pdf


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    Often when I see these news pieces from biased sources, I wonder about the dumbing down of America, a concept that appears lost as our public educational system is underfunded and our religious or private schools grow. But it isn't just dumbing but constant distractions. This guys wish is bizarre as what purpose would it serve. Language changes with time and use, not because of court rulings. Look at Ms for instance. But today much media has become a tool of the state and power. Fox, OAN, and other so called conservative sites demonstrate this fact. No longer news, they appeal to a particular tribe and present opinions rather than analysis. But what is their state and government and what purpose do they hope to accomplish by tearing it down. That site has more nonsense about Comey? It seems all you need is a foe and you have the right wing tribes in America in your pocket. Sad.

    'Overall, we rate PJ Media to be borderline Questionable based on numerous failed fact checks, however they do fall just below the threshold and are therefore rated Right Biased and Mixed for factual reporting.'

    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/pj-media/

    One question is how did we get so divided everything becomes the enemy. Now the 'state / government' is the enemy for many on the right especially. How dangerous is that. Education appears lost as even education is criticized if you are not in line with ideology.
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    Yes, ma'am.

    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    Often when I see these news pieces from biased sources, I wonder about the dumbing down of America, a concept that appears lost as our public educational system is underfunded and our religious or private schools grow. But it isn't just dumbing but constant distractions. This guys wish is bizarre as what purpose would it serve. Language changes with time and use, not because of court rulings. Look at Ms for instance. But today much media has become a tool of the state and power. Fox, OAN, and other so called conservative sites demonstrate this fact. No longer news, they appeal to a particular tribe and present opinions rather than analysis. But what is their state and government and what purpose do they hope to accomplish by tearing it down. That site has more nonsense about Comey? It seems all you need is a foe and you have the right wing tribes in America in your pocket. Sad.

    'Overall, we rate PJ Media to be borderline Questionable based on numerous failed fact checks, however they do fall just below the threshold and are therefore rated Right Biased and Mixed for factual reporting.'

    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/pj-media/

    One question is how did we get so divided everything becomes the enemy. Now the 'state / government' is the enemy for many on the right especially. How dangerous is that. Education appears lost as even education is criticized if you are not in line with ideology.
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    Of course. Its all Conservatives fault for not following insane progressive thinking. Right? Am I right?
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    That's good news but just stands against the tide. More common will be "An Act to amend the Canadian Human Rights Act and the Criminal Code (Bill C-16, 2016) is a law passed by the Parliament of Canada. The law adds gender expression and gender identity as protected grounds to the Canadian Human Rights Act, and also to the Criminal Code provisions dealing with hate propaganda, incitement to genocide, and aggravating factors in sentencing." This is the act Jordan Peterson argues compels speech.
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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    Often when I see these news pieces from biased sources, I wonder about the dumbing down of America, a concept that appears lost as our public educational system is underfunded and our religious or private schools grow. But it isn't just dumbing but constant distractions. This guys wish is bizarre as what purpose would it serve. Language changes with time and use, not because of court rulings. Look at Ms for instance. But today much media has become a tool of the state and power. Fox, OAN, and other so called conservative sites demonstrate this fact. No longer news, they appeal to a particular tribe and present opinions rather than analysis. But what is their state and government and what purpose do they hope to accomplish by tearing it down. That site has more nonsense about Comey? It seems all you need is a foe and you have the right wing tribes in America in your pocket. Sad. 'Overall, we rate PJ Media to be borderline Questionable based on numerous failed fact checks, however they do fall just below the threshold and are therefore rated Right Biased and Mixed for factual reporting.'
    Hold on a second. Did you actually read the court opinion? That was my first link. I saw the headline, looked for a court link and went there. Had it not been there, I'd have gone to Westlaw or Google. I didn't even read the PJ-Media article, but I did read the Appellate Court opinion -- did you?

    Does the PJ-Media article fairly and accurately reflect the court's decision?

    What difference does it make where the article was if I linked to the Official Opinion from the United States Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    Hold on a second. Did you actually read the court opinion? That was my first link. I saw the headline, looked for a court link and went there. Had it not been there, I'd have gone to Westlaw or Google. I didn't even read the PJ-Media article, but I did read the Appellate Court opinion -- did you?

    Does the PJ-Media article fairly and accurately reflect the court's decision?

    What difference does it make where the article was if I linked to the Official Opinion from the United States Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    Often when I see these news pieces from biased sources, I wonder about the dumbing down of America, a concept that appears lost as our public educational system is underfunded and our religious or private schools grow. But it isn't just dumbing but constant distractions. This guys wish is bizarre as what purpose would it serve. Language changes with time and use, not because of court rulings. Look at Ms for instance. But today much media has become a tool of the state and power. Fox, OAN, and other so called conservative sites demonstrate this fact. No longer news, they appeal to a particular tribe and present opinions rather than analysis. But what is their state and government and what purpose do they hope to accomplish by tearing it down. That site has more nonsense about Comey? It seems all you need is a foe and you have the right wing tribes in America in your pocket. Sad.

    'Overall, we rate PJ Media to be borderline Questionable based on numerous failed fact checks, however they do fall just below the threshold and are therefore rated Right Biased and Mixed for factual reporting.'

    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/pj-media/

    One question is how did we get so divided everything becomes the enemy. Now the 'state / government' is the enemy for many on the right especially. How dangerous is that. Education appears lost as even education is criticized if you are not in line with ideology.
    A review of Jacoby's The Age of American Unreason, THE CORROSION OF THE AMERICAN MIND:

    ...Jacoby easily skewers disgruntled conservative critics of social change, such as Allan Bloom, who couldn't even get his facts straight, but she recognizes the left-wing *anti-*intellectualism that appeared to justify his wrath: While campus protests of the late ’60s were generally motivated less by concerns about the curriculum than outrage over higher education’s military and corporate ties, she stresses, a “vocal, vulgar, and stupid” minority of activists busied themselves categorically denouncing the works of Dead White European Males. Their demands partly reflected what Jacoby condemns as “resistance to the idea of aesthetic hierarchy,” which she regards as a regrettably powerful leg*acy that helped shape the proud *anti-*intellec*tualism of celebrity culture *today.

    ...Opposition to hierarchy, aesthetic and otherwise, which flourished among multiculturalists and other “progressive” descendents of this influential decade, focused much more on rearranging hierarchies than on destroying them. Identity politics and repressive codes regarding speech, civility, and harassment on college campuses exemplify the unthinking moral dogmatism of these putative relativists....

    In fact, identity politics, enforced by speech codes, creates highly irrational, unsafe environ*ments for people who violate its strictures, as the three Duke University lacrosse players famously and shamefully indicted for a rape that obviously never occurred might testify. Their accusers assumed their guilt, ignoring the facts of the case and focusing instead on the students’ identity as relatively affluent white athletes, who insensi*tively hired a black female stripper for a team *party.

    Unaccountably, Jacoby does not address the virulent unreason of identity politics on Amer*ican campuses today or the pervasive liberal academic embrace of censorship, both of which pose obvious threats to free inquiry and the knowledge of civics for which she longs....
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    Federal Court Refuses to Require use of identified Personal Pronouns — this is not unexpected in my opinion. Read the opinion and then read the article. I have attached both links.

    "First, no authority supports the proposition that we may require litigants, judges, court personnel, or anyone else to refer to gender-dysphoric litigants with pronouns matching their subjective gender identity."

    http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions...-40016-CR0.pdf


    https://pjmedia.com/trending/sanity-...self-faerself/



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