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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    No, it's not. Your own source tells us that.

    Please stop Googling. It's obnoxious.
    Maybe you should google more. The fact that the church reinterprets previously held tenets doesn't mean that church dogma is not evolving. Case in point, Heliocentrism.
    In quoting my post, you affirm and agree that you have not been goaded, provoked, emotionally manipulated or otherwise coerced into responding.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Maybe you should google more. The fact that the church reinterprets previously held tenets doesn't mean that church dogma is not evolving. Case in point, Heliocentrism.
    You don't understand what dogma means or what Christian dogma refers to. Please stop being so proud. For your own sake. Not mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    You don't understand what dogma means or what Christian dogma refers to. Please stop being so proud. For your own sake. Not mine.
    Dogma (specifically Catholic dogma) is narrowly defined as that part of doctrine which has been divinely revealed and which the Church has formally defined and declared to be believed as revealed. Perhaps it is telling that the word dogma originates in the Greek, meaning opinion.



    "Jesus founded His Church, which He willed to last until His Second Coming, on Peter and the Apostles. In order that the Gospel might be preserved intact, the Apostles appointed bishops as their successors and conferred their own teaching authority on them. Thus, this sacred Tradition and the sacred Scriptures are like a mirror, in which the Church, during its pilgrim journey here on earth, contemplates God (#7).


    In this way the apostolic preaching is preserved without corruption until the end of time. The teaching of the Church on faith and morals is based on that original preaching. But it is not static. There is growth in the understanding of the faith, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, which takes place through reflection on God's Word by saints and bishops and theologians. As time goes by the Church advances in its understanding of what has been revealed and applies the ancient truths to new problems and circumstances, such as changes in the social order and in the physical and life sciences."
    https://www.catholiceducation.org/en...evelation.html

    IOW dogma evolves.
    In quoting my post, you affirm and agree that you have not been goaded, provoked, emotionally manipulated or otherwise coerced into responding.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Dogma (specifically Catholic dogma) is narrowly defined as that part of doctrine which has been divinely revealed and which the Church has formally defined and declared to be believed as revealed. Perhaps it is telling that the word dogma originates in the Greek, meaning opinion.



    "Jesus founded His Church, which He willed to last until His Second Coming, on Peter and the Apostles. In order that the Gospel might be preserved intact, the Apostles appointed bishops as their successors and conferred their own teaching authority on them. Thus, this sacred Tradition and the sacred Scriptures are like a mirror, in which the Church, during its pilgrim journey here on earth, contemplates God (#7).


    In this way the apostolic preaching is preserved without corruption until the end of time. The teaching of the Church on faith and morals is based on that original preaching. But it is not static. There is growth in the understanding of the faith, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, which takes place through reflection on God's Word by saints and bishops and theologians. As time goes by the Church advances in its understanding of what has been revealed and applies the ancient truths to new problems and circumstances, such as changes in the social order and in the physical and life sciences."
    https://www.catholiceducation.org/en...evelation.html

    IOW dogma evolves.
    But your source doesn't really say dogma evolves. In fact, it says it doesn't in that it is revealed. Those ancient truths remain the same. They are applied to an evolving world.

    It's the same when people say the founding principles of the Declaration and Constitution of the US remain true and unchanged to today even as applied to an evolving world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    But your source doesn't really say dogma evolves. In fact, it says it doesn't in that it is revealed. Those ancient truths remain the same. They are applied to an evolving world.

    It's the same when people say the founding principles of the Declaration and Constitution of the US remain true and unchanged to today even as applied to an evolving world.

    She struggles so. Why can't she just admit she used the wrong term? Some things do change or "evolve" but dogma isn't one of them.. It would not qualify as dogma otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Dogma (specifically Catholic dogma) is narrowly defined as that part of doctrine which has been divinely revealed and which the Church has formally defined and declared to be believed as revealed. Perhaps it is telling that the word dogma originates in the Greek, meaning opinion.

    "Jesus founded His Church, which He willed to last until His Second Coming, on Peter and the Apostles. In order that the Gospel might be preserved intact, the Apostles appointed bishops as their successors and conferred their own teaching authority on them. Thus, this sacred Tradition and the sacred Scriptures are like a mirror, in which the Church, during its pilgrim journey here on earth, contemplates God (#7).
    In this way the apostolic preaching is preserved without corruption until the end of time. The teaching of the Church on faith and morals is based on that original preaching. But it is not static. There is growth in the understanding of the faith, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, which takes place through reflection on God's Word by saints and bishops and theologians. As time goes by the Church advances in its understanding of what has been revealed and applies the ancient truths to new problems and circumstances, such as changes in the social order and in the physical and life sciences."
    https://www.catholiceducation.org/en...evelation.html

    IOW dogma evolves.
    I still consider myself Catholic even though yu will bind me at more independent christian churches on any given Sunday.

    Dogma has become whatever will keeps us in the money. Gays, abortion, divorce (fake annulment)... and some really disgusting crimes have become at minimum ignored.

    Now they have a Socialist Pope promoting stealing from others instead of charity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    We have at least 4 members adamantly opposed to abortion who do not identify as religious so I'm not sure the divide is all that clear. You could argue that their perspectives originated in religious ideas but that's true of almost all of our values secularized or not.
    But what would you say of individuals who are entirely irreligious, but who believe that Judeo-Christian ethics should undergird our society?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjohns View Post
    I seriously doubt that we will come to any consensus as concerning the ethical (or non-ethical) nature of abortion-on-demand--at least, anytime within this generation. So I will not approach the matter directly.

    But I will ask this:

    Do others agree that one's stance on the matter is really determined by whether one believes that our country should be entirely (and unapologetically) secular, or should be underpinned by Judeo-Christian thought?

    To reiterate, I am not asking for a re-litigation of the matter. I am merely asking if others would agree that this is the fault line.
    Either way, the fault line should be murder. The definition of murder is the same either way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lummy View Post
    Abortion, per se, affects no one but the woman, right? It is no one else's problem, and that's the way she has wanted it for decades. As it doesn't, per se, harm society, why should anyone care what she does. The father, of course, has little or no impact on such a decision. Therefore, there is absolutely no reason to care, one way or another. It's between the woman and God. Politicians use it for -- ta-da! -- politics.

    I am very opposed to body parts factories.
    It sure as hell affects the dead baby. What do you think happens. The fault line is no murder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    PJohns was asking whether the division on abortion was split along secular/religious lines or not. He is not offering up a venue for yet another abortion debate. I think the answer to that is 'mostly' and tends to skew primarily among females who can alternatively be secular, but right to lifers or religious, but believe in right to choice.
    No, he did not. He asked if there should be a fault line on that basis. You changed the whole question.
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