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    We've seen how carelessly this president operates.

    If you've had any doubts that Trump is acquainted with Lev Parnas, they should be long gone by now.

    Take a listen to the audio (and now video) of Lev Parnas convincing the President to fire the US Ukrainian Ambassador. You will finally get a better sense of the level of professionalism and thoughtfulness that he puts into making decisions. Inside of 20 seconds, Parnas hypnotized Trump into firing the loyal and effective anti-corruption Ukraine Ambassador. If he didn't know Parnas, that makes it worse: this president should not be recklessly weighing any the words of a nobody into his important decisions.

    Aren't any of you concerned at how easily manipulated this President is?
    Listen to that recording it wont take long. Not long at all to make Trump into a puppet.
    Here is basically what was said....(warning:not verbatim)

    Parnas: We need to get rid of The Ukraine Ambassador, she says your gonna get impeached.
    Trump: Get rid of her. ok? Tomorrow. Do it.


    Shouldn't we now be worried about this man and his impulsiveness? his naiveté? his fondness for private one on one meetings? no note taking. no aides?

    Have you wondered what ideas the master manipulator Putin has planted inside Trumps apparently feeble mind? Listening to Friday/Saturday recording of Trump getting owned by simple lies, I don't find it hard to believe that Putin programmed Trump to deny Russia interfered with elections. To place the blame Ukraine, to put off Ukraine support and White house meetings, do ease off sanctions on Russia.... what else?

    Shouldn't we worry about how his maluability may have played a role in previous questionable decisions...

    His spur of the moment decision to pull out ove Syria when the turkish President simply yells at him.

    his decision to assassinate the Iranian general.

    His decision way back in 2017 to divulge code word level access information to his russian visitors, precipitating the need to extract a deep cover asset inside the kremlin?

    decisions
    decisions
    decisions

    Trump is over his head. he is a bull in china shop. He should not be left without a babysitter.

    This is the President you strive to defend. the one you revere.

    I don't care if the Republicans win any more. Just get a different candidate. Anyone would be safer. Sarah Palin would be an improvement .


    “Just say the election was corrupt and leave the
    rest to me and the Republican congressmen”
    --Donald Trump

    Speaking to the Justice Department on Dec. 27, 2020. Conversation memorialized in then-acting Deputy Attorney General Richard Donoghue’s contemporaneous notes.



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    Have you moved on from impeachment? I saw on TV that this discussion took place after a meeting in which Trump learned that this Ambassador was telling people over there to ignore Trump because he would be impeached. Directly subordinate, in other words. Hardly an impulsive move?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    If you've had any doubts that Trump is acquainted with Lev Parnas, they should be long gone by now.

    Take a listen to the audio (and now video) of Lev Parnas convincing the President to fire the US Ukrainian Ambassador. You will finally get a better sense of the level of professionalism and thoughtfulness that he puts into making decisions. Inside of 20 seconds, Parnas hypnotized Trump into firing the loyal and effective anti-corruption Ukraine Ambassador. If he didn't know Parnas, that makes it worse: this president should not be recklessly weighing any the words of a nobody into his important decisions.

    Aren't any of you concerned at how easily manipulated this President is?
    Listen to that recording it wont take long. Not long at all to make Trump into a puppet.
    Here is basically what was said....(warning:not verbatim)

    Parnas: We need to get rid of The Ukraine Ambassador, she says your gonna get impeached.
    Trump: Get rid of her. ok? Tomorrow. Do it.


    Shouldn't we now be worried about this man and his impulsiveness? his naiveté? his fondness for private one on one meetings? no note taking. no aides?

    Have you wondered what ideas the master manipulator Putin has planted inside Trumps apparently feeble mind? Listening to Friday/Saturday recording of Trump getting owned by simple lies, I don't find it hard to believe that Putin programmed Trump to deny Russia interfered with elections. To place the blame Ukraine, to put off Ukraine support and White house meetings, do ease off sanctions on Russia.... what else?

    Shouldn't we worry about how his maluability may have played a role in previous questionable decisions...

    His spur of the moment decision to pull out ove Syria when the turkish President simply yells at him.

    his decision to assassinate the Iranian general.

    His decision way back in 2017 to divulge code word level access information to his russian visitors, precipitating the need to extract a deep cover asset inside the kremlin?

    decisions
    decisions
    decisions

    Trump is over his head. he is a bull in china shop. He should not be left without a babysitter.

    This is the President you strive to defend. the one you revere.

    I don't care if the Republicans win any more. Just get a different candidate. Anyone would be safer. Sarah Palin would be an improvement .
    *The recording was allegedly made at a private dinner on April 30, 2018 at the Trump International Hotel in Washington, D.C.*

    And sho-nuff

    *The Trump administration recalled Yovanovitch from her position a year later, in April 2019*

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/4564941002


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    Trump was well within his rights to fire the insubordinate ambassador.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Trump was well within his rights to fire the insubordinate ambassador.
    Every president is within their rights to fire and replace any appointed official for any reason they choose.


    On another note, I hope the Democrats pin their hopes on this Parnas fellow. Especially after he has retracted and walked back some of his comments as of late.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    Have you moved on from impeachment? I saw on TV that this discussion took place after a meeting in which Trump learned that this Ambassador was telling people over there to ignore Trump because he would be impeached. Directly subordinate, in other words. Hardly an impulsive move?
    She was mocking Trump and insulting him in meetings with other diplomats. Prople get fired when they do things like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    Have you moved on from impeachment? I saw on TV that this discussion took place after a meeting in which Trump learned that this Ambassador was telling people over there to ignore Trump because he would be impeached. Directly subordinate, in other words. Hardly an impulsive move?
    Make no mistake. This was clearly and extremely impulsive.

    The discussion took place at a dinner table with parnas, the president, and a few other people. The only thing the president “learned” was from Parnas. Lev simply lied to him and told him that Yavanovitch was bad mouthing him. Predictably, he took it at face value and within 34 seconds fired her.

    Lev needed her gone. I think you will agree that it didn’t take very much at all to trick the President into making that happen.

    Whatever you were watching was a distortion. What channel was it?
    The audio is below. Start it at 3:04


    Start watching at 3:04 for audio of president and parnas



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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Trump was well within his rights to fire the insubordinate ambassador.
    I know.

    You completely miss the point.

    The President of the United States got owned by some 2 bit hood in 34 seconds.

    All Lev had to do was lie to Mr. ”very large Eh-brain” and he fired her.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hanger4 View Post
    *The recording was allegedly made at a private dinner on April 30, 2018 at the Trump International Hotel in Washington, D.C.*

    And sho-nuff

    *The Trump administration recalled Yovanovitch from her position a year later, in April 2019*

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usa...amp/4564941002

    I am not sure what your point is.
    Mine was that it took 34 seconds for Trump to issue an order to fire her.


    Listen to the audio.

    Its a good thing for him that more and more people dont carry out his orders right away. Remember he ordered mueller fired? I wonder how many times he has tried to have Canada nuked.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    I am not sure what your point is.
    Mine was that it took 34 seconds for Trump to issue an order to fire her.


    Listen to the audio.

    Its a good thing for him that more and more people dont carry out his orders right away. Remember he ordered mueller fired? I wonder how many times he has tried to have Canada nuked.
    *I am not sure what your point is.*

    You're kidding right ??

    'Parnas hypnotize the President' to fire the ambassador a year later.

    'his impulsiveness' a year later.

    All BS musings by you, totally unrelated to facts.

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