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    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s crass Marxist materialism

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s crass Marxist materialism is a good demostration of AOC's Marxist roots but also why it is wrong.

    ...When Rep. Ocasio-Cortez argues that her hypothetical billionaire did not make the widgets but rather that her employees did, she is making a particular claim about what a commodity is and where its value is derived. She is articulating a theory of value. The theory that the value of a commodity can be objectively measured by the labor which produces it is the labor theory of value.

    The labor theory of value was the prevailing theory among many economists of the nineteenth century, most prominently David Ricardo and Karl Marx, and had its roots in the thought of Adam Smith himself. This theory was questioned by some economists in the nineteenth century, notably Frédéric Bastiat, and later definitively refuted by William Stanley Jevons, Carl Menger, and Léon Walras during the Marginal Revolution in economics. Marginalism introduced a subjective component into the theory of value, explaining that the value of a commodity is not determined solely by any property of the commodity itself – including the labor necessary to produce it – but by the value human persons impute to it as a means to achieve their ends.

    This subjective theory of value was almost universally adopted by economists, because it better described the real world. It solved the famous paradox of “value in use” and “value in exchange.” It can explain why water, necessary to human life, demands a lower market price than diamonds, which are comparatively useless. Marxists were the only notable group to resist this new theory for, as the economist Eugen v. Böhm-Bawerk exhaustively argues in Capital and Interest, the notion that employees are “exploited” by employers is only true if the value of commodities is wholly derived from labor.

    Rep. Ocasio-Cortez’s account of billionaires “taking” instead of “making” assumes away the risk, uncertainty, and time accounted for in the current subjective understanding of value to engage in nineteenth-century communist sloganeering. This sort of antiquarian argument, while ridiculous, can be a catalyst to learning more about the history and development of economics. Of no value is the crass materialism involved in excusing the alleged immorality of those whom she describes as “takers” being merely the product of “this system that we live in.”

    It is precisely this crass materialism – Marx’s unique contribution that the anatomy of civil society is to be found in political economy – which is most disturbing....
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    Many hispanics want socialism because they want a share of what they never worked for or produced anything to achieve.

    Its not a right to aquire for doing nothing what others busted their ass to get and thats what this is all about
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    Quote Originally Posted by Common View Post
    Many hispanics want socialism because they want a share of what they never worked for or produced anything to achieve.
    Its not a right to aquire for doing nothing what others busted their ass to get and thats what this is all about
    I am not so sure about that, but I cannot argue that is not the case either. I know many Hispanics who have moved out of their countries because of socialist ideas and understand. They certainly do not want this country to become like theirs, but unfortunately I also know many Hispanics that believe in what Bernie Sanders et al. say. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and many young American voters, on the other hand born, raised, and educated in this very land are thinking Socialism is cool... They have been indoctrinated in this very education system... Do you guys know what is the Sao Paulo Forum? Do you know how many political parties in Puerto Rico (USA) and from where AOC has her roots, are associated to the Sao Paulo Forum and the Socialists of America?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s crass Marxist materialism is a good demostration of AOC's Marxist roots but also why it is wrong.
    So your lying blog source can prove that AOC is a Marxist - right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    So your lying blog source can prove that AOC is a Marxist - right?
    So your ad hom can prove she's not.

    Give it a rest, jet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    So your ad hom can prove she's not.

    Give it a rest, jet.
    So you are a right-wing disinformation spreader ala Russian trolls.

    I thought you might be; now we know for sure.

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    AOC: "Ocasio-Cortez describes herself as a Democratic Socialist, and she explained what that means to her to Colbert. “So for me, Democratic Socialism is about ... really the value for me is that I believe that in a modern, moral and wealthy society, no person in America should be too poor to live. That’s what I feel,” Ocasio-Cortez says." https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/29/alex...n-colbert.html
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