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    Quote Originally Posted by PJL View Post
    Your imagination is distorting your thought process.
    There is no imagination involved. It is a simple statement of fact.

    Taxes are taken from the citizenry by the threat of force. Your "means" testing still involves forced redistribution of wealth.

    This is about as basic as it can get. Do you not understand it?
    "All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void." Marbury Vs. Madison, 5 US (2 Cranch) 137, 174, 176, (1803). "Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which would abrogate them." Miranda Vs. Arizona, 384 US 436 p. 491.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PJL View Post
    I am a demagogue who pays for his own health care - figure that one out when you have time...(lol) What I'm actually trying to say here , is that I believe health care can be affordable for all , if it's run correctly . It would be a massive over-hall , but it could be done . Allowing pharmaceutical company's to flood the country with opioids has been a major blunder.....and reversing that , would be a good place to start fixing the problems.
    Opiods replaced some street drugs because they were easier to obtain and many had prescription insurance to pay for it. When opiods are gone or controlled, cocaine and heroin will make a big comeback. NO ONE CAN CONTROL the use of drugs in this country, everyone has failed since the 60s

    With your democrat open borders it makes it far easier to bring drugs into the country.

    Healthcare for all can never be affordable and the democrats WILL never get medical professionals to work for peanuts in this country.

    Democrats deny deny deny that universal health care everywhere else SUCKS, theres waiting lists and litmus tests for who gets care and who doesnt. People wait years in pain on waiting lists for knee replacements and like canada all their brightest and best Drs come HERE to make a living.

    NO ONE not a single person has ever come up with a health plan for all that was not affordable. All obamacare did was greatly lower the quality of insurance that every one already had especially medicare.
    Thats why its failed idiot Sanders plan is absurd
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    There is no imagination involved. It is a simple statement of fact. Taxes are taken from the citizenry by the threat of force. Your "means" testing still involves forced redistribution of wealth. This is about as basic as it can get. Do you not understand it?
    If what you are trying to say was true , then every tax dollar the government collects is "taken by force" , or as you say , "at the point of a gun" .........that's bizzarre ..............you seem to have no problem paying $billions in corporate welfare to corporations , but you want to deny under privileged citizens basic health care ?.........do you hide your money in the Caymen Islands , or are you one of the rapidly growing under privileged class ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PJL View Post
    If what you are trying to say was true , then every tax dollar the government collects is "taken by force" , or as you say , "at the point of a gun" .........that's bizzarre ..............you seem to have no problem paying $billions in corporate welfare to corporations , but you want to deny under privileged citizens basic health care ?.........do you hide your money in the Caymen Islands , or are you one of the rapidly growing under privileged class ?
    Try not paying your taxs, what happens ? the irs freezes everything you own, garnishs your salary to a hellish degree, or your social security or any income you have UNTIL YOU PAY but not only do you pay what you owe you pay double or triple in fines and fees and interest. In some instances they imprison you for tax evasion.

    That is the same as the point of a gun
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    Quote Originally Posted by PJL View Post
    If what you are trying to say was true , then every tax dollar the government collects is "taken by force" , or as you say , "at the point of a gun" .........that's bizzarre ..............you seem to have no problem paying $billions in corporate welfare to corporations , but you want to deny under privileged citizens basic health care ?.........do you hide your money in the Caymen Islands , or are you one of the rapidly growing under privileged class ?
    Yes, taxes are paid at the point of Mordor's gun. It's that simple. The IRS has an entire force prepared to come take yours if you do not pay up. I wish I had enough money to be able to hide it in the Cayman Islands. What rapidly growing underprivileged class? Wages are up, unemployment is at the lowest point in history, rates are down. What are you talking about?

    I'm curious, what billions do we pay in corporate welfare? This is an interesting take on your mantra: http://www.bamajim.com/uncategorized...poratewelfare/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Common View Post
    Try not paying your taxs, what happens ? the irs freezes everything you own, garnishs your salary to a hellish degree, or your social security or any income you have UNTIL YOU PAY but not only do you pay what you owe you pay double or triple in fines and fees and interest. In some instances they imprison you for tax evasion. That is the same as the point of a gun
    ...........yet massive amounts of publicly funded subsidies get paid to oil companies ?.......and places like The Cayman Islands are still being used to avoid paying huge amounts of tax ?......hey Common , I'm not just trying to be a $#@! over this....Australia is not much different.....and it makes me angry when I dwell on it for too long . Surely you can see the problems in all of this ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PJL View Post
    ...........yet massive amounts of publicly funded subsidies get paid to oil companies ?.......and places like The Cayman Islands are still being used to avoid paying huge amounts of tax ?......hey Common , I'm not just trying to be a $#@! over this....Australia is not much different.....and it makes me angry when I dwell on it for too long . Surely you can see the problems in all of this ?
    What "massive amounts of publicly funded subsidies get paid to oil companies"? https://www.forbes.com/sites/drillin.../#206f06776e1c

    Contrary to the myth spread by detractors, there are no special subsidies for the industry, which supports more than 9 million jobs. In fact, one overview from Forbes.com pegged the overall effective tax rates of the Big Three oil and gas firms at 41.5% to 48.3%, depending on the company. These rates were the highest among the 25 top taxpaying companies (in terms of dollar amounts) that Forbes surveyed.

    https://www.investors.com/politics/c...-any-industry/
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    Conservative judges --hand picked by the federalist society to secure certain outcomes that you, and not me will like.

    And it wasn't just "a few" It has been between 1 and 2 hundred young life-time appointed federal judges, not necessarily all qualified either (well unless your count conservative views as the only important qualification). He has been churning them out at a record pace.

    These judges did not just fall into Trump's lap. In the same way Russia-loving Moscow Mitch stopped Obama from getting his Supreme Court pick, he also held back his federal court picks. The federal court judges hear far more cases than the supreme court. Many view the federal courts as far more consequential since the Supreme court will hear only about 80 cases a year.

    Of course if you are conservative will be happy to hear all of this. I guess conservatives and liberals have different definitions of fairness.

    I am calling this stacking the courts. Sue me.
    SCOTUS exists to serve the Constitution not you and not the voters. That is what the Heritage Foundation provided in their recommendations to Trump.

    You want to ignore the rules of the USA. That makes you an enemy of the USA because you are an enemy of our Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PJL View Post
    ...........yet massive amounts of publicly funded subsidies get paid to oil companies ?.......and places like The Cayman Islands are still being used to avoid paying huge amounts of tax ?......hey Common , I'm not just trying to be a $#@! over this....Australia is not much different.....and it makes me angry when I dwell on it for too long . Surely you can see the problems in all of this ?

    What subsidies? The only ones that I remember receiving money were Obama's Green Jobs and through Stimulus.

    When you talk about accelerated depreciation for oil companies then all that does is allow the oil companies to take the entire expense in one year for tax reasons. It was the IRS that insisted they spread it over the expected term to prevent them from not paying taxes in heavy investment years. Most companies would prefer to expense the whole thing in one year because they are not public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PJL View Post
    If what you are trying to say was true , then every tax dollar the government collects is "taken by force" , or as you say , "at the point of a gun" .........that's bizzarre ..............you seem to have no problem paying $billions in corporate welfare to corporations , but you want to deny under privileged citizens basic health care ?.........do you hide your money in the Caymen Islands , or are you one of the rapidly growing under privileged class ?
    You seem to have a problem comprehending simple concepts, even when they are dumbed down for you about far as they can go.

    Yes, every tax Dollar the government collects is taken by force or the threat of force. Try not paying your taxes for a few years and you'll see exactly how true that is.

    The rest of your post is just babbling.
    "All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void." Marbury Vs. Madison, 5 US (2 Cranch) 137, 174, 176, (1803). "Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which would abrogate them." Miranda Vs. Arizona, 384 US 436 p. 491.

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