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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    So what you're saying is that you don't understand the difference between the two. That's what I thought.
    how would you finance it so it's free to everyone? What sacrifices need be made by the rest of us who pay our own way?
    How much will it cost?
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    So, the interesting part about this is, people are following the populist rhetoric about taxing the rich to pay for what they call "Medicare for All" (In reality, Medicare for None.) I wonder if people have stopped and thought about how many rich people are in USA? What is the percentage of the population who is really rich in comparison to us, including those who think someone else is going to pay for them... HAHAHA! It is just so funny (Sarcasm). We saw it during Obama's administration! When he started raising taxes to them and their companies, they just picked up their chairs, and went to other countries... and who was left here to pay?? What is happening with people who do not take the time to really learn and understand the issues, but "follow and believe" eyes closed what others tell them? Socialism is not funny... Believe me... It is not!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Padme View Post
    So, the interesting part about this is, people are following the populist rhetoric about taxing the rich to pay for what they call "Medicare for All" (In reality, Medicare for None.) I wonder if people have stopped and thought about how many rich people are in USA? What is the percentage of the population who is really rich in comparison to us, including those who think someone else is going to pay for them... HAHAHA! It is just so funny (Sarcasm). We saw it during Obama's administration! When he started raising taxes to them and their companies, they just picked up their chairs, and went to other countries... and who was left here to pay?? What is happening with people who do not take the time to really learn and understand the issues, but "follow and believe" eyes closed what others tell them? Socialism is not funny... Believe me... It is not!!
    The corporate exodus from the US started long before Obama's presidency .........(lol) ......... Since 2008 , the concentration of wealth to the top 1% has accelerated . It's now where the wealth goes , as fast as the FED can print money. The rock upon which the corporate profits are built , is the US consumer market..........so the top 1% should be footing the bill for their health care.........in 2009 , when the failed insolvent banks were bailed out , it was done at the expense of the people who can't even afford their own health care......it's about time the people started getting some of their investment money back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PJL View Post
    I think The Bern's idea to raise company tax , to fund health care, has some merit , depending on the fine print.
    I'm guessing you meant the corporate tax? It will result in less revenues. Corporations will move their assets offshore where they will be taxed at lower rates or not at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    I'm guessing you meant the corporate tax? It will result in less revenues. Corporations will move their assets offshore where they will be taxed at lower rates or not at all.
    Once they've run big business off, they will quickly turn their attention on the rest of us. That is how socialism/communism works.
    It was a favorite tactic of the pharaohs. Keep your slave labor too poor to wind a watch of wipe their behinds.
    Slavery comes in many forms.
    He also wants us to shop only at the company store.................
    PJL would cast the chains for us that he wears.........
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    All other major countries do it.

    Why not America?

    Pros: Everyone would have insurance and it's not tied to employment. Two huge pluses that would impact the labor market in the favor of employees more than most imagine. The cost taken off the shoulders of corporate including handling the money and policy.

    Cons: The job the government has done with our money in general and the way they change earmarked money programs in unsustainable ways. Some argue that the government is not all that inefficient in terms of Medicare. But when the pro argument is "they really aren't that bad at healthcare" ......

    Also the Constitutional limitations on federal government which have already been badly abused by the Donkephant. Such a practice should be approached with a Constitutional amendment. But then again so should federal drug law, educational interference and human service mandates. But these limitations even though they are not respected are still what makes us ...us.

    Cost: There are some scary cost projections out there. They probably don't consider that the government would get a portion of what is now paid for healthcare by employers and employees. Hopefully , at least in a real free labor market, the employees should get that money or it's equivelent in insurance. But here again government efficiency becomes an issue.

    Unintended Consequences: There would likely be several but the main one that jumps out at me is that medical cost could sky rocket to the point where people and companies would need to buy expensive gap insurance anyway. ( Medicare all but requires some of this already) A well founded fear given the explosion in HC cost facilitated by Medicare originally or with college cost following government grants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PJL View Post
    The corporate exodus from the US started long before Obama's presidency .........(lol) ......... Since 2008 , the concentration of wealth to the top 1% has accelerated . It's now where the wealth goes , as fast as the FED can print money. The rock upon which the corporate profits are built , is the US consumer market..........so the top 1% should be footing the bill for their health care.........in 2009 , when the failed insolvent banks were bailed out , it was done at the expense of the people who can't even afford their own health care......it's about time the people started getting some of their investment money back.
    Come back to me when you do the math, PJL!! Psst, hey, become a business owner... Use the "Shoe On The Other Foot" law. Think like a business owner and how would you feel if the government wanted to take the money you have made creating jobs for others and contributing with the country paying your taxes by increasing your business' tax... How would that affect your business and the salaries you allocate for your workers? Would you be able to maintain your workers?? What about the product you make... Could you keep the production at the same level? Could you keep the same price for the population you are serving?! So, if you get tired of a government that is pushing you to pay more, you (Very smart move, PJL) would take your business somewhere else where you would not need to pay so high taxes and could pay the workers there way low wages and viola, sounds good?
    That was what happened during the Obama administration and companies moved out - Good for them! Thank you to President Trump's efforts for trying to bring those companies back and offering better options!!

    Question, PJL, are you in Australia?

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