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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    It's an ancient Mesopotamian language. Lol
    Must be what his new book is about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Diamond is a shallow ideologue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Troll
    Diamond is shallow. I understand the appeal, believe me.
    Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.


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    So let's look at Diamond.

    Following a lengthy criticism, The Diamond Fallacy concludes:

    Mises categorized the type of history Diamond proposes as "environmentalism." He said of it, "The truth contained in environmentalism is the cognition that every individual lives at a definite epoch in a definite geographical space and acts under the conditions determined by this environment." But, he goes on to note the flaw inherent in all attempts to regard the environment as the "ultimate cause" of historical events: "The environment determines the situation but not the response. To the same situation different modes of reacting are thinkable and feasible. Which one the actors choose depends on their individuality" (1957, pg. 326).

    ...As I mentioned in the introduction, Diamond's mistake is not merely of concern to scholars. The view that "vast, impersonal forces" largely determine the course of history, whether those forces are taken to be "the material conditions of production," as in Marxism, or geographical circumstances, as in Diamond, naturally suggests that individuals can do little to affect their own future. As a logical consequence, in order to improve the lives of those who have been dealt a poor hand by those forces, it seems necessary to counteract them with another vast, impersonal force, namely, the State. Huge international programs intended to redress the arbitrary outcomes brought about by historical forces are recommended. The cases of countries with few geographic advantages but relatively free economies, such as Japan, prospering, and those of nations blessed with natural resources but ruled by highly interventionist governments, for example, Brazil or Nigeria, lagging behind, are easily dismissed as anomalies by those who are convinced that human action plays an insignificant part in history.

    While Diamond's book is filled with valuable insights, it is not, as he would like to believe, the first step in the reformation of history along more "scientific" lines, but only another interesting vantage point from which to contemplate humanity's past. Furthermore, the policy implications of his overreach are a danger to both human welfare and freedom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    So let's look at Diamond.

    Following a lengthy criticism, The Diamond Fallacy concludes:
    That's one of the major criticisms professional anthropologists have of his work. It's a type of determinism but, for Diamond, the goal is to combat a racist straw man. The logical consequences are secondary if they factor in at all.
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    It's also a simplistic and unconvincing argument even on its own terms.
    Last edited by Mister D; 02-26-2020 at 07:32 PM.
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    Well, if jet gives what he gets, then because I've given him a reasonable criticism, then we will get a reasonable rebuttal, just like he reasonably rebutted Ferguson's criticism.
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    Waiting for jet to give what he gets....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Waiting for jet to give what he gets....
    Keep your shirt on; I haven’t gotten to you yet.

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