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    I think that women could succeed in certain combat arms jobs. Armor (largely automated so no need to manually load a tank round that weighs a lot); mech infantry (no need to walk 25 miles with over 100 pound).

    But there are other combat arms jobs that zero to very little women could do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    I think that women could succeed in certain combat arms jobs. Armor (largely automated so no need to manually load a tank round that weighs a lot); mech infantry (no need to walk 25 miles with over 100 pound).

    But there are other combat arms jobs that zero to very little women could do.
    I agree. But I do say, let those women who think they can, give any and all combat arms jobs a go. A few might just surprise us. Whether it's enough to justify the necessary facilities to be arranged/built, remains to be seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oceanloverOH View Post
    I agree. But I do say, let those women who think they can, give any and all combat arms jobs a go. A few might just surprise us. Whether it's enough to justify the necessary facilities to be arranged/built, remains to be seen.
    That is probably what is going to happen.

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    They should at least have the option to try for whatever position they want in the military in my opinion. The automatic assumption that they can't is wrong in my opinion, although i'm sure for a lot of women it is also a great motivator to stick it to the people who created the barriers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chloe View Post
    They should at least have the option to try for whatever position they want in the military in my opinion. The automatic assumption that they can't is wrong in my opinion, although i'm sure for a lot of women it is also a great motivator to stick it to the people who created the barriers.
    That is a valid point. My only problem with that would be class sizes. If we have lots of women taking up slots that would otherwise be taken up by men- where 50+% of the men wash out..., what are we gaining?

    In the OP, the woman sergeant went to air assault school and kicked ass. But a high percent of women never pass the obstacle course to get into the school. And another large group can't pass the 12 mile road march at the end. And that school is on the easy side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    I think that women could succeed in certain combat arms jobs. Armor (largely automated so no need to manually load a tank round that weighs a lot); mech infantry (no need to walk 25 miles with over 100 pound).

    But there are other combat arms jobs that zero to very little women could do.
    Lol Peter I could have jogged 25 miles with that much weight in my prime but they would have to start out young carrying big bags of seed and walking. Most guys today can't do that but I agree I knew no woman that could except a few. We worked from before the sun came out to dawn most days. Kids today especially woman have no idea how to even walk 25 miles much less with over 100 pounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    That is a valid point. My only problem with that would be class sizes. If we have lots of women taking up slots that would otherwise be taken up by men- where 50+% of the men wash out..., what are we gaining?

    In the OP, the woman sergeant went to air assault school and kicked ass. But a high percent of women never pass the obstacle course to get into the school. And another large group can't pass the 12 mile road march at the end. And that school is on the easy side.
    If I'm not mistaken, most of these heavy infantry jobs are advanced jobs that you have to have been qualified in one of a few specifically related specialties in order to even qualify for the class, regardless of gender. So you add a couple of prerequisites....underweight restrictions, high marksmanship qualification on specific weapons, physical conditioning minimums (i.e. timed long-distance walk, timed calisthenics, etc.) as requirements to enter the class. This would also weed out the men who might not qualify.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oceanloverOH View Post
    I agree. But I do say, let those women who think they can, give any and all combat arms jobs a go. A few might just surprise us. Whether it's enough to justify the necessary facilities to be arranged/built, remains to be seen.
    I think if they want to try they should be able to. I know at my age I would be lucky to make it 1/2 mile if that and I am not in real bad shape. Don't have that Phillip mentality on survivor. As we age we can see ourselves doing things, but doing it is a different thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    I think that women could succeed in certain combat arms jobs. Armor (largely automated so no need to manually load a tank round that weighs a lot); mech infantry (no need to walk 25 miles with over 100 pound).

    But there are other combat arms jobs that zero to very little women could do.
    There are some big boned 6' 2" ladies on the planet who can probably manage physically as well as a man. As to the 5' 2" variety, I don't imagine that they could haul their body weight around for long. On the other hand, there are many men who are also too small to haul that much weight. The rules should be identical for males and females.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    There are some big boned 6' 2" ladies on the planet who can probably manage physically as well as a man. As to the 5' 2" variety, I don't imagine that they could haul their body weight around for long. On the other hand, there are many men who are also too small to haul that much weight. The rules should be identical for males and females.
    I know two women under 5 feet that ran the Boston Marathon last year in record heat and could easily kill anyone that looked at them cross-eyed.

    Not to mention: how much hand-to-hand combat actually happens these days?

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