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    Quote Originally Posted by roadmaster View Post
    Lol Peter I could have jogged 25 miles with that much weight in my prime but they would have to start out young carrying big bags of seed and walking. Most guys today can't do that but I agree I knew no woman that could except a few. We worked from before the sun came out to dawn most days. Kids today especially woman have no idea how to even walk 25 miles much less with over 100 pounds.
    I don't like it. In Korea one of my soldiers was dragging ass on a 25 mile road march, so me and the squad leader dragged his ass for the last 10 miles of the march. That was hard- I was dry heaving for miles. But our squad came in at the best time for the battalion. And that kid got his act together and didn't let us down after that. That made it worth while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    There are some big boned 6' 2" ladies on the planet who can probably manage physically as well as a man. As to the 5' 2" variety, I don't imagine that they could haul their body weight around for long. On the other hand, there are many men who are also too small to haul that much weight. The rules should be identical for males and females.
    I am not big boned and never have been and could haul more than my body weight. In fact ten years ago I could still pick up 200lbs, just not over my head. Didn't look muscular either but I do admit even at my age now my arms have no skin hanging down like a good bit of woman my age.

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    People use that women are successful police and firepersons now and some use that argument for women in combat. Everyone gloss's over the truth or ignores it. All the standards were lowered for Police and Fire to assist women in gaining those jobs in any appreciable numbers. They had to change the physical acruity tests to allow women to pass because most could not.
    To give an example years ago to become a police officer, you had to do a set number of pushups, situps and pullups run an obstacle course, then drag a 220 lb dead weight dummy 40ft climb a rope 50 ft touch the ceiling come down and some you had to jog 2 miles. Women had great difficulty passing that test. So they lowered the dummy weight got rid of the rope climb, some got rid of the dummy drag altogether,They also reduced the height and weight requirments considerably because those alone excluded most wome
    Philadelphia City fire training used to video training sessions, part of the training was you had to solo lift and place a 40 ft ladder. Fire ladders are not the cheap light garbage you buy in home stores. The video showed the women collectively could not lift the ladder in place. Philly had the tapes removed and stopped all training from being taped.
    Am I against women NO and please dont accuse me of it. This is about fact not my opinion. Women no matter how hard people try to say its not so for their own agenda are not as strong as men and are not capable of doing what men can. A man in good condition vs a woman in good condition the man still is stronger.
    Does that mean women cant do mens jobs, of course not but there are some that the standards should not be changed just to allow women into them. Like combat positions.

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    For any physical job, women should have to meet the exact same standards as men. Equality means access to the same positions, not lowering the bar. As a true feminist, I don't believe that women should be in combat unless they can meet the exact same requirements as the males, even if that means no women qualify.

    It would be reckless and stupid to lower the bar to meet a quota, especially for jobs that put lives on the line, (military, fire/emergency response, police, etc.).

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    Unfortunately adelaide lowering the bar was done often in the past.

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    I think we should take a queue from the Israeli army on this one, check out the IDF. Females do participate, as the brawn factor increases their participation rate actually does decrease, but the percentage of officers, brainier positions, approaches that of men...

    One of the basic problems with military service is the presumption that all members need to, at least potentially, be grunts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newpublius View Post
    I think we should take a queue from the Israeli army on this one, check out the IDF. Females do participate, as the brawn factor increases their participation rate actually does decrease, but the percentage of officers, brainier positions, approaches that of men...

    One of the basic problems with military service is the presumption that all members need to, at least potentially, be grunts.
    I can't believe that I am defending them; but in the USMC, everyone is an infantryman..... Or at least that is what they say.

    In the army we have plenty of jobs suited for women. And some that just aren't.

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    I don't like the idea of women in combat situations, I'm old fashioned like that.

    But I don't oppose any woman who wants to serve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Obvious View Post
    I don't like the idea of women in combat situations, I'm old fashioned like that.

    But I don't oppose any woman who wants to serve.

    That sums it up for me perfectly. I was raised to always show women respect. You open the doors for them, you do the heavy lifting and you always get in front of them to protect them etc. I guess by todays standards some women would find that offensive. I cant compute that and maybe its because of my age.

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