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    Body Armor Fitted for Women...

    Dunford Pushes Services to Move Faster on Body Armor Fitted for Women
    14 May 2018 - The services have to speed up the process of getting body armor fitted for female troops into the field, Dunford said.
    The services have to speed up the process of getting body armor fitted for female troops into the field, Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Joseph Dunford said. "We knew it would take some time" to deliver specially fitted body armor, particularly in smaller sizes, to accommodate women once then-Defense Secretary Ashton Carter opened up all combat billets to women in 2016, Dunford told the Senate Defense Appropriations subcommittee last week. "We knew in 2016 that the standard equipment -- particularly as women began to occupy fields where they hadn't historically been and they were wearing combat armor, packs, those kinds of things [that] had been built for the average male and not the average female -- that we would have to adjust that," he explained.

    Dunford said each of the services is working to make changes in the standard sizes of body armor. "It is taking some time, but I can assure you they are all attentive to it," he said in response to questions from Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska. "We've seen the integration of women into the front lines," Murkowski said, but "equipment requirements for women are lagging. Currently, only the Army has women-specific body armor, but quantities are so low that I understand it's only issued to women who are deploying and not during any initial entry or unit training."


    U.S. Army Pvt. 1st Class Cheryl Rogers grins as 2nd Lt. Chelsea Adams helps her into the new Generation III Female Improved Outer Tactical Vest at Fort Stewart, Ga.

    The initial efforts in 2016 to come up with better fitting body armor, and also lighten the equipment load, were led by then-Lt. Gen. Michael Williamson, now retired, who was military deputy to the assistant secretary of the Army for acquisition, logistics and technology. "We've added eight additional sizes, based on a better understanding of the stature" of soldiers, both male and female, Williamson told a subcommittee of the House Armed Services Committee in March 2016. "It's not just being smaller, it's proportions" when it comes to women soldiers, he said. "That's why there are so many additional sizes. Anybody who has worn a piece of body armor knows it's inconvenient enough without being able to appropriately size it." "We approach the soldier protection system from the level that we always want to find ways to improve its capability but also lighten the load -- whether you are talking about the protective vest or you are talking about the helmet," Williamson said.

    He said the weight problem is gender neutral. "It has nothing to do with whether you are a male or female. We can't burden our soldiers with more weight." The military recently also began addressing an additional problem for women troops: accommodating protective equipment for longer hair. As reported by Military.com, recent presentations by the Army and the Marine Corps for the Pentagon's Defense Advisory Committee on Women in the Services included changes to ensure gear fits correctly for women with hair buns. At a presentation in March, Army Lt. Col. Ginger L. Whitehead, product manager for Soldier Protective Equipment, showed a new version of the Female Improved Outer Tactical Vest, or FIOTV, that includes a yoke-and-collar assembly that dips in the back to accommodate a hair bun, along with other fit improvements to offer better ballistic protection for women.

    https://www.military.com/kitup/daily...ted-women.html

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    30% of Female Marines Still Opting Out of Pull-Ups...

    30 Percent of Female Marines Still Opting Out of Pull-Ups on Their PFTs10 Aug 2018 -- The number of female Marines opting out of pull-ups is down from 35 percent in 2017.
    More female Marines chose pull-ups on their physical fitness test in 2018 than did last year, but about a third of all women still opted for the alternative exercise on the upper-body strength portion of their annual exam. Nearly two years after the flexed-arm hang was axed from the Marine Corps' PFT, about 30 percent of female Marines chose to do pushups in place of pull-ups in 2018. Less than 3 percent of male Marines chose pushups instead of pull-ups this year. The number of female Marines opting out of pull-ups is down from 35 percent in 2017, though, and the head of the Marine Corps' Force Fitness Division expects the number will continue shrinking. "It's not an easy test -- it's the hardest one of all the services," Col. Stephen Armes told Military.com. "... But female Marines are disproving the [idea that they can't do pull-ups] on a pretty regular scale."


    Of the nearly 10,000 women who did perform pull-ups on their 2018 PFT, many are exceeding the number required to get full marks, Armes said. More than a third of those female Marines busted out nine or more on the test. Women under 45 need between six to 10 pull-ups -- depending on their age -- to earn full marks. No Marine can achieve a maximum PFT score without choosing pull-ups in the new system. Opting out of pull-ups also makes it more difficult to achieve a first-class score, the highest level. The requirement for women to choose between pull-ups and pushups was just one change in the biggestoverhaul of the service's physical fitness testin decades. Scoring got tougher across-the-board when the changes went into effect on Jan. 1, 2017. That has led to more failures and fewer first- and second-class scores. "It's pretty much tracking where we expected," Armes said. "Our target has always been about a 70-20-9 percent split from first, second and third class. In 2016, we were way above that."



    Lance Cpl. Katelyn M. Hunter conducts pullups during an initial assessment at Camp Foster, Dec. 12, 2012.




    Before the event and scoring changes, 84 percent of Marines were earning first-class PFTs. That number has now dropped down to about 70 percent. Now, more Marines' scores are falling in the second- and third-class buckets. Nearly 20 percent of Marines earned a second-class PFT score this year, up from about 13 percent in 2009. More than 7 percent got a thi-class score this year, up from just about 1 percent two years ago. Failure rates are also up, which Armes attributes to new Marine Force Fitness Instructors -- noncommissioned officers with special skills who help improve a unit's physical training and nutrition regimens. They're enforcing testing standards, Armes added. It might not be easy to cheat on your PFT run time, he said, but Marines might have been dropping their arms too low on their crunches or kipping their legs to help them get more pull-ups.


    Now, Marines are being dinged for that, he said. This year, 2.2 percent of Marines failed their PFT, up slightly from 1.9 percent last year. Since any Marine who chooses to do pushups in place of pull-ups can earn a maximum of only 270 out of 300 on the test, Armes urges all leathernecks to keep working toward the pull-ups. "I'm glad to see more males and females doing pull-ups -- that's a good trend," he said. "It's going to get them to that 300 points, and it's the harder [exercise]."


    https://www.military.com/daily-news/2018/08/10/30-percent-female-marines-still-opting-out-pull-ups-their-pfts.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by waltky View Post
    30% of Female Marines Still Opting Out of Pull-Ups...

    30 Percent of Female Marines Still Opting Out of Pull-Ups on Their PFTs10 Aug 2018 -- The number of female Marines opting out of pull-ups is down from 35 percent in 2017.
    I wish I could opted out of things when I was in the Army!

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    There is no such thing as opting out in the Army.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    There is no such thing as opting out in the Army.
    Sure there is I always seen people of color and especially married soldiers get out of and skirt all kinds of field exercises.

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    Update: the Army's pilot program to integrate women into combat arms is ongoing. They won't make an official announcement until sometime in 2020. But they are publicly optimistic. However, after the initial burst of women volunteering for combat unit training, it has gone done. The question may become whether enough women are interest in combat arms to implement it. You can't convert barracks and other facilities for co-ed if there are only 500 women in Army combat arms. They are going to need a lot more than that to make it worth the cost.
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