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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    When you are running a country of 330 million people and you are told a budding pandemic is coming, you check your $#@!. PERIOD. If you have ever been in charge of a large group of people's safety, you'd know this. You think ahead. Anticipate. Plan. I am not military, but I am sure anyone in a military leadership role would back me up. Or anyone with kids. He should have been checking the stock piles. Checking the borders. Assembling task force to assess and monitor. Warning doctors to be on the lookout. He should have been acquiring already-available test kits, instead of waiting weeks to make a profit on developing our own.

    Look, he is not perfect. He is a business man. But he has seen to it that he is surrounded by yes-men and fostered a culture of fear that discourages his entourage from giving him bad news. We have all paid for that, in blood.

    The words you quoted from Fauci were for public consumption. Not for a president. All you've done is support my assertion that Trump was a spectator in all this. A spectator. He was supposed to be a leader in this. I think we all know this intuitively. A pandemic is not relegated to any one state. It is a national problem. When Trump declared an national emergency, he wasn't merely letting us all know something bad was happening. He was enabling certain powers that would help allow him to take the reins. To coordinate and lead us to safety. Governors can do some things to mitigate. But they don't have national reach. We know this when we look at the pot luck policies from state to state. There is no cohesion. It's just "do whatever you want". Some states are doing virtually nothing. Yet we buy into his new story line that it's the governors fault, not his. This is his plane and he needs to land it. God help us.

    Now he is playing the under-promise, over deliver tactic. Expect 200,000 dead! And when it comes in at under 100,000 he looks like a savior. 100,000 dead is mind-numbingly. That's 33 times September 11.
    The above emboldened seems to suggest that Fauci told us one thing and then told the President another thing -- but if he did -- then we can't trust anything he says publicly every again. He specifically told us masks would not help us and that the virus in the US would be "minuscule." That was his word. If the experts were telling Trump the same thing -- and it appears they were at that time, except for a few fearmongers, what was Trump supposed to do?

    I agree that 100,000 dead is mind-numbing, but it's still fewer than auto accidents, yet we hop into our cars daily. Some people are wishing Trump would have taken draconian measures, but we have to balance protection with potentially harmful restrictions and freedoms. We have a lot of healthy people right now who are forced to stay home while bills keep piling up.

    The thing about Trump is that he's just saying what his advisors tell him to say. They (including Fauci) said it wasn't going to be a problem in the US, and now they're saying it is a problem. Early on, Trump banned flights in from China and the liberals accused him of racism. I'm to the point that I don't think they'll ever agree with what he does -- but we do know one thing -- locking down healthy people is pretty drastic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    the lack of a sufficient stockpile is partially Obama's fault, and partially Trump's fault. I agree with you.

    Will you agree with me that Trump should have sprung into action when he was initially warned about the coming pandemic on Jan 5?
    That was the fault of Fauci, a Hillary confidante. Trump should have fired him in January.
    http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/120290-Vodafone-denies-5G-coronavirus-connection

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    When you are running a country of 330 million people and you are told a budding pandemic is coming, you check your $#@!. PERIOD. If you have ever been in charge of a large group of people's safety, you'd know this. You think ahead. Anticipate. Plan. I am not military, but I am sure anyone in a military leadership role would back me up. Or anyone with kids. He should have been checking the stock piles. Checking the borders. Assembling task force to assess and monitor. Warning doctors to be on the lookout. He should have been acquiring already-available test kits, instead of waiting weeks to make a profit on developing our own.

    Look, he is not perfect. He is a business man. But he has seen to it that he is surrounded by yes-men and fostered a culture of fear that discourages his entourage from giving him bad news. We have all paid for that, in blood.

    The words you quoted from Fauci were for public consumption. Not for a president. All you've done is support my assertion that Trump was a spectator in all this. A spectator. He was supposed to be a leader in this. I think we all know this intuitively. A pandemic is not relegated to any one state. It is a national problem. When Trump declared an national emergency, he wasn't merely letting us all know something bad was happening. He was enabling certain powers that would help allow him to take the reins. To coordinate and lead us to safety. Governors can do some things to mitigate. But they don't have national reach. We know this when we look at the pot luck policies from state to state. There is no cohesion. It's just "do whatever you want". Some states are doing virtually nothing. Yet we buy into his new story line that it's the governors fault, not his. This is his plane and he needs to land it. God help us.

    Now he is playing the under-promise, over deliver tactic. Expect 200,000 dead! And when it comes in at under 100,000 he looks like a savior. 100,000 dead is mind-numbingly. That's 33 times September 11.
    The above emboldened seems to suggest that Fauci told us one thing and then told the President another thing -- but if he did -- then we can't trust anything he says publicly every again. He specifically told us masks would not help us and that the virus in the US would be "minuscule." That was his word. If the experts were telling Trump the same thing -- and it appears they were at that time, except for a few fearmongers, what was Trump supposed to do?

    I agree that 100,000 dead is mind-numbing, but it's still fewer than auto accidents, yet we hop into our cars daily. Some people are wishing Trump would have taken draconian measures, but we have to balance protection with potentially harmful restrictions and freedoms. We have a lot of healthy people right now who are forced to stay home while bills keep piling up.

    The thing about Trump is that he's just saying what his advisors tell him to say. They (including Fauci) said it wasn't going to be a problem in the US, and now they're saying it is a problem. Early on, Trump banned flights in from China and the liberals accused him of racism. I'm to the point that I don't think they'll ever agree with what he does -- but we do know one thing -- locking down healthy people is pretty drastic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    The above emboldened seems to suggest that Fauci told us one thing and then told the President another thing -- but if he did -- then we can't trust anything he says publicly every again. He specifically told us masks would not help us and that the virus in the US would be "minuscule." That was his word. If the experts were telling Trump the same thing -- and it appears they were at that time, except for a few fearmongers, what was Trump supposed to do?

    I agree that 100,000 dead is mind-numbing, but it's still fewer than auto accidents, yet we hop into our cars daily. Some people are wishing Trump would have taken draconian measures, but we have to balance protection with potentially harmful restrictions and freedoms. We have a lot of healthy people right now who are forced to stay home while bills keep piling up.

    The thing about Trump is that he's just saying what his advisors tell him to say. They (including Fauci) said it wasn't going to be a problem in the US, and now they're saying it is a problem. Early on, Trump banned flights in from China and the liberals accused him of racism. I'm to the point that I don't think they'll ever agree with what he does -- but we do know one thing -- locking down healthy people is pretty drastic.
    When did Fauci say that?
    One can be sure that he who says he knows knows nothing

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    Quote Originally Posted by ripmeister View Post
    When did Fauci say that?
    In the middle of February.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/02/17/nih-disease-official-anthony-fauci-risk-of-coronavirus-in-u-s-is-minuscule-skip-mask-and-wash-hands/4787209002/


    So how can we blame Trump when this infectious disease specialist was telling him what to say?
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    because trump bad. no evidence of the contrary needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    The above emboldened seems to suggest that Fauci told us one thing and then told the President another thing -- but if he did -- then we can't trust anything he says publicly every again. He specifically told us masks would not help us and that the virus in the US would be "minuscule." That was his word. If the experts were telling Trump the same thing -- and it appears they were at that time, except for a few fearmongers, what was Trump supposed to do?

    I agree that 100,000 dead is mind-numbing, but it's still fewer than auto accidents, yet we hop into our cars daily. Some people are wishing Trump would have taken draconian measures, but we have to balance protection with potentially harmful restrictions and freedoms. We have a lot of healthy people right now who are forced to stay home while bills keep piling up.

    The thing about Trump is that he's just saying what his advisors tell him to say. They (including Fauci) said it wasn't going to be a problem in the US, and now they're saying it is a problem. Early on, Trump banned flights in from China and the liberals accused him of racism. I'm to the point that I don't think they'll ever agree with what he does -- but we do know one thing -- locking down healthy people is pretty drastic.
    From the quotes you provided...

    You attributed two statements to Fauci

    The first one boils down to saying that masks are not effective or complete protection against the coronavirus. This is true because people dont usually use masks properly, or they buy the wrong masks, or they buy crappy drugstore masks, or they wear them over heavy stubble. In any case this is not downplaying the pandemic.

    The second quote is an incomplete quote and we are left to depend on the writer’s interpretation of what Fauci meant. Saying that the risk was “miniscule” was not describing the risk of this becoming a pandemic. I think he was only talking about the likelyhood of bumping into a coronavirus carrier in the United States, at that time.

    These statements were indeed meant as a guide for the public, not for the President. This is not a matter of being two-faced. Its a matter of telling people what they need to know. They were based on our best knowledge at the time. Fauci needs to give the President a different subset of guidance because his job was to manage the problem, not be a spectator.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    From the quotes you provided...

    You attributed two statements to Fauci

    The first one boils down to saying that masks are not effective or complete protection against the coronavirus. This is true because people dont usually use masks properly, or they buy the wrong masks, or they buy crappy drugstore masks, or they wear them over heavy stubble. In any case this is not downplaying the pandemic.

    The second quote is an incomplete quote and we are left to depend on the writer’s interpretation of what Fauci meant. Saying that the risk was “miniscule” was not describing the risk of this becoming a pandemic. I think he was only talking about the likelyhood of bumping into a coronavirus carrier in the United States, at that time.

    These statements were indeed meant as a guide for the public, not for the President. This is not a matter of being two-faced. Its a matter of telling people what they need to know. They were based on our best knowledge at the time. Fauci needs to give the President a different subset of guidance because his job was to manage the problem, not be a spectator.
    *CORRECTION: In 2 recent posts I wrote that the WHO officially declared a pandemic on Jan 30. hanger4 pointed out it was on Mar 11. Jan 30 was when Trump travel banned China (still nearly a month after being warned of the coming pandemic)*

    Who was it that warned Trump at the end of December of the coming pandemic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanger4 View Post
    *CORRECTION: In 2 recent posts I wrote that the WHO officially declared a pandemic on Jan 30. hanger4 pointed out it was on Mar 11. Jan 30 was when Trump travel banned China (still nearly a month after being warned of the coming pandemic)*

    Who was it that warned Trump at the end of December of the coming pandemic.
    I said "nearly" a month. I read somewhere it was January 5th that the IC told him about it. I couldn't find the exact article but I found this one from Vox saying it was early January. vox
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    I said "nearly" a month. I read somewhere it was January 5th that the IC told him about it. I couldn't find the exact article but I found this one from Vox saying it was early January. vox
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