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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well exactly, is that Hortar/Hagar was an Egyptian. Ishmael was her son. Yes Islam comes later due to Mohammed. Who claims he was the descendant of Ishmael. Just as Isaac is the father of Jacob/Israel and is considered the father of the Israelites.


    Yet Arabs were considered to come from Arabia. In which Arabia was populated by the descendants of Cush and Shem long before Abraham or Ishmael were born. It was Muhammed that claimed all Arabs came from Ishmael.


    Which again.....Hortar/Hagar was Egyptian.
    I think the lesson to be taken here is that religious and cultural traditions are not necessarily the most reliable sources from which to trace the ancestry of various tribes of people. For example, Jewish tradition taught that Ham, the son of Noah, whom Noah cursed for "seeing his father's nakedness", was the ancestor of the Canaanites, and the Jews used that belief as justification for the enslavement of the Canaanites by the Israelites. Later and for many centuries, Jewish, Christian and Muslim theologians identified Ham's descendants as the Black race, and - again - justified and explained that race's enslavement by citing the supposed connection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perianne View Post
    What if immigrants tended to vote for Republicans? How would that affect how parties view immigration? Would liberals be so open to illegal immigration? Would conservatives be so against it?
    No, because conservatives still have to pay for illegals and we are for National Security.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    I think the lesson to be taken here is that religious and cultural traditions are not necessarily the most reliable sources from which to trace the ancestry of various tribes of people. For example, Jewish tradition taught that Ham, the son of Noah, whom Noah cursed for "seeing his father's nakedness", was the ancestor of the Canaanites, and the Jews used that belief as justification for the enslavement of the Canaanites by the Israelites. Later and for many centuries, Jewish, Christian and Muslim theologians identified Ham's descendants as the Black race, and - again - justified and explained that race's enslavement by citing the supposed connection.
    Basically they were rules books for uneducated people that could not read them. The stories were designed to be read to the populace and provide morals as well as history Everyone know that Adam and Eve cannot be true, as well as Noah's Ark. Otherwise the world is a group of inbreeds and other races would not exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carolina73 View Post
    Basically they were rules books for uneducated people that could not read them. The stories were designed to be read to the populace and provide morals as well as history Everyone know that Adam and Eve cannot be true, as well as Noah's Ark. Otherwise the world is a group of inbreeds and other races would not exist.
    Sure, I think even the majority of Bible literalists today, at least in the even halfway literate and educated countries, understand that the Adam and Eve story isn't meant to be taken literally. Noah's Ark? Eh, not so sure about that one, in terms of "everyone" knowing it can't be true.

    https://arkencounter.com/noahs-ark/

    The same folks who think there's a good chance that Noah's Ark is still up on Mount Ararat somewhere are very often the same ones who believe that the world is only 6,000 years old and that human beings and dinosaurs were contemporaries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    Sure, I think even the majority of Bible literalists today, at least in the even halfway literate and educated countries, understand that the Adam and Eve story isn't meant to be taken literally. Noah's Ark? Eh, not so sure about that one, in terms of "everyone" knowing it can't be true.

    https://arkencounter.com/noahs-ark/

    The same folks who think there's a good chance that Noah's Ark is still up on Mount Ararat somewhere are very often the same ones who believe that the world is only 6,000 years old and that human beings and dinosaurs were contemporaries.
    Okay. Almost everyone. There are always a few.

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    Who was the José guy Francis Scott Key was talking to at the opening of "The Star-Spangled Banner"?

    "José can you see by the dawn's early light?"

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