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    What is consent?

    So I am having to do Title IX training for next year and something interesting that I never knew (because I never bothered doing this seminar before) is that consent is considered to be "FRIES": Freely given, reversible, informed, enthusiastic, and specific.

    I actually thought that seemed like a good way to gauge it; informed and freely given implies that someone cannot be blackout drunk, for example.

    What are your thoughts?

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    Agree. What happens if both were equally drunk? I had that case once.
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    We actually refer to it as "informed consent".

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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    Agree. What happens if both were equally drunk? I had that case once.
    That is complex. Are both individuals drunk enough to blackout? Or, to be handled? How is that measured? Did they get blood tests within x amount of time? Unfortunately, without an ability to quantify how inebriated both are and without the ability to prove how they both react to alcohol (I know people who drop after one beer, and I know people who can drink 750mls of rum and not seem drunk), there is not really a way to determine if both were consenting or both non-consenting or both not able to consent... or one could and one couldn't...


    Think that it is going to be very hard to prove a lack of consent in that case unless there was also physical violence involved?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    Agree. What happens if both were equally drunk? I had that case once.
    Who are the "both"?

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    I thought "consent" meant you introduced yourself to one another earlier that evening at Happy Hour.
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    I have tried many courts-martial for rape. Most of them, the guy was directly targeting the female. But they were not the violent rape we see in the civilian sector. It was just guys getting a female soldier drunk and taking advantage of her.
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    I get it now. The consent Adelaide is talking about refers to consent to do coitus. I thought she was speaking medically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adelaide View Post
    So I am having to do Title IX training for next year and something interesting that I never knew (because I never bothered doing this seminar before) is that consent is considered to be "FRIES": Freely given, reversible, informed, enthusiastic, and specific.

    I actually thought that seemed like a good way to gauge it; informed and freely given implies that someone cannot be blackout drunk, for example.

    What are your thoughts?

    The only issue with the "reversible" idea is when it's used after the fact. If both parties consent and then one is remorseful and decides he/she really didn't mean to consent is there any fault?
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    I have trouble with the "I was drunk" defense. I rarely drink and only in moderation. I know myself and I am willing to do things under the influence that I wouldn't do sober. If'n women can't keep their clothes on while drunk, then don't drink or blame someone else for what happens.

    When people drive drunk, we blame them. When people do sex while drunk, we look to blame someone else.

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