Another Republican Runs For The Presidency.....

[spunkloaf]

I should write and submit a paper about my theories on the Liberation of Energy.

[Mister D]

"Our liberty is from God, not the government."

What's the difference? Both instances force you to rely on some kind of outside source to supply you with liberty.

What about embracing the idea that liberty is simply omnipresent and inherent by default? What about embracing the idea that it takes effort for somebody else to get greedy and infringe upon your liberty in order to improve their status?

Our liberty is from God means that liberty is omnipresent and inherent in human beings. It cannot be bestowed by man.

So why not just say it the way it is? Why do we have to get all cryptic and insert God into this? I'm not $#@!ing about it, it's an honest question.

It's cryptic to leave God out of it. If human dignity and liberty does not come from God or from man where does it come from?

I guess that's a good question which deserves more scrutiny. If you choose to have man and God as the only players in this entire realm, then it's easy to pick one by process of elimination.

But I think your view on the world is just a bit egocentric if you believe that everything has to be created. What if everything is simply interpreted?

I'm not sure what you mean by interpret and how is my view egocentric? I'd say it's exactly the opposite. I acknowledge my creatureliness. That hardly strikes me as egocentric.

What other players are there?

I think it's almost easier to ask what players aren't there, and let the question fester for awhile.

Then ask, "What is human dignity and liberty?"

Then realize why it's not called God dignity and liberty. It doesn't necessarily have to be in that order.

About "interpret vs. create" ... scientific principles have clearly demonstrated that energy can be neither created nor destroyed. There's no law about interpretation though. The only law that comes close is the law of relativity.

Other than God (if you are a believer) or Man I don't understand who all these other possible player s might be. Please elaborate.

Simple. Do individual human beings have inviolable rights and value.

It's not "God dignity and liberty". We're talking about human beings. God given perhaps.

[spunkloaf]

Then I think it's more important to focus on the interpretation rather than the symbol. In that case, I have no beef with God. But if the word is used to advertise a belief system--which I also have no beef with--then people should clearly understand the difference, and also try to understand their own interpretation.

[Mister D]

Then I think it's more important to focus on the interpretation rather than the symbol. In that case, I have no beef with God. But if the word is used to advertise a belief system--which I also have no beef with--then people should clearly understand the difference, and also try to understand their own interpretation.

What is the symbol? God? I don't see God as the symbol here but the ultimate source of human dignity and liberty.

[spunkloaf]

Then I think it's more important to focus on the interpretation rather than the symbol. In that case, I have no beef with God. But if the word is used to advertise a belief system--which I also have no beef with--then people should clearly understand the difference, and also try to understand their own interpretation.

What is the symbol? God? I don't see God as the symbol here but the ultimate source of human dignity and liberty.

FIIIIIIINNNNNNE. :

If you truly don't see the word God as an advertisement for a particular system of religious beliefs and think that the author actually put thought and meaning into what it means, who am I to judge you?

Yes, the symbol I referred to was God. God to me is a symbol, since the word is just that....a word....which is a form of a symbol.



No, not that cymbal.

[Mister D]

Then I think it's more important to focus on the interpretation rather than the symbol. In that case, I have no beef with God. But if the word is used to advertise a belief system--which I also have no beef with--then people should clearly understand the difference, and also try to understand their own interpretation.

What is the symbol? God? I don't see God as the symbol here but the ultimate source of human dignity and liberty.

FIIIIIIINNNNNNE. :

If you truly don't see the word God as an advertisement for a particular system of religious beliefs and think that the author actually put thought and meaning into what it means, who am I to judge you?

Yes, the symbol I referred to was God. God to me is a symbol, since the word is just that....a word....which is a form of a symbol.



No, not that cymbal.

Huh? ???

[Mister D]

How about this? Explain what you're position is on these questions. That will help move the conversation forward.