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    Quote Originally Posted by usaf81 View Post
    Good. Mail in votes are a License to steal for Democrats. I realize some have to be done for over seas people and military but a general mail in vote? Entire cemetery's will be punching "D". The Dems want illegals and felons to sneak votes in, its an old game. Put your mask on and go vote, showing your voting card, or stay home.
    And in (R) districts a lot of mail will end up in the trash.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    Can you produce any evidence that mail in voting produces illegal, or fraudulent voting? In times like these, the onus must be on Republicans to prove mail in voting produces fraudulent results. Because we are risking more lives by listening to the fable that it does. You are being taught that it is fraudulent because Republicans need less voting, not more.
    Stop it. Weren't you one of the ones screaming about all the deaths that were going to happen in Wisconsin b/c of the in-person voting? How many actually happened? I know: 0. This isn't how this works. In fact, the onus is on you to tell us how you are going to protect and prevent those ballots mailed to dead people and moved people from being used - because you want to change the status quo.


    What are you Democrats going to do to protect the integrity of the election? Are you going to have them mail their voter ID card in with their ballots?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    People who advocate for voting by mail want more voter fraud opportunities.
    That certainly is the conspiracy theory.
    One can be sure that he who says he knows knows nothing

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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    Stop it. Weren't you one of the ones screaming about all the deaths that were going to happen in Wisconsin b/c of the in-person voting? How many actually happened? I know: 0. This isn't how this works. In fact, the onus is on you to tell us how you are going to protect and prevent those ballots mailed to dead people and moved people from being used - because you want to change the status quo.


    What are you Democrats going to do to protect the integrity of the election? Are you going to have them mail their voter ID card in with their ballots?
    What is done now to protect the legitimacy of the absentee voting option?
    One can be sure that he who says he knows knows nothing

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    Quote Originally Posted by ripmeister View Post
    What is done now to protect the legitimacy of the absentee voting option?
    Not have scores of them laying around.
    Only send them to people requesting them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ripmeister View Post
    That certainly is the conspiracy theory.
    And has happened in the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    People who advocate for voting by mail want more voter fraud opportunities.
    In Washington state, we vote by mail. We had a governor elected through vote fraud.
    A Republican won the election. The state Democratic Committee suddenly came up with thousands of ballots they "forgot" to send in. These were votes supposedly cast by homeless people who had no address. There was a recount, the Republican still won, but his margin of victory was close. Shazam, the Democratic Committee found another box of uncounted ballots. Another recount and they finally won the election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    Not have scores of them laying around.
    Only send them to people requesting them.
    I would agree. Have people request them. Send out a request form to all registered voters. They can fill it out and send the request back in. Send them their absentee ballot.
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    In a country of 330,000,000 people, you can find examples of any rare misdeed or good deed you like. So over emphasizing isolated instances of fraud, or quoting expert opinion, or potentialities are not impressive. Finding wide-spread, significant or statistically significant examples of actual mail-in-fraud, (not just "voter fraud" but "mail-in-voter-fraud") is your assignment. You haven't done that below...

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Fact Check: Is Mail Ballot Fraud As Rampant As President ...

    https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live...
    Apr 07, 2020 · Election experts say Trump is partially correct, that there is slightly more fraud in mail-voting than in-person voting. But they caution that both can be done safely and securely, and that …
    Allow me to finish the quote that you cut off...

    "Election experts say Trump is partially correct, that there is slightly more fraud in mail-voting than in-person voting. But they caution that both can be done safely and securely, and that election fraud is extremely rare in all instances."
    So experts are just talking but not producing evidence or statistical analysis or anything of substance. And when they do suggest there is a problem they say it is extremely rare. "extremely"

    Team Trump to Jim Acosta: Here's Your Examples of Mail-In ...

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/09/team...
    Apr 09, 2020 · The White House also shared details of 2005 commission led by President Jimmy Carter and George W. Bush’s secretary of state James A. Baker III that concluded mail-in ballots “remain the largest source of potential voter fraud.”
    "...largest source of POTENTIAL voter fraud?" Potential? any empirical mail in fraud? Nope. There is potential for aliens to land on the white house lawn tomorrow. There is potential for you to be hit by a meteor. Better take shelter!

    Also, the "largest" source? Depending on where you live mercury might be the largest source of contaminant in your drinking water at less than .002 mg/L , but no one would bother lifting a finger to stop you from drinking it.

    3 Examples of Voter Fraud Across US - The Daily Signal

    https://www.dailysignal.com/2016/03/31/3-examples-of-voter-fraud-across-us
    Mar 31, 2016 · Minnesota is an example of a state that had rampant voter fraud between 2008 and 2011. In that time frame, there were over 100 convictions for various voter fraud offenses throughout the state, including ineligible voting, false registrations, and fraudulent use of absentee ballots.
    Not mail in fraud, and not wide spread or significant. 400 examples? over how many decades did it take to assemble these examples? I better stop drink water. There is too much mercury in it.

    Voting by mail and absentee voting | MIT Election Lab

    https://electionlab.mit.edu/research/voting-mail-and-absentee-voting
    As with all forms of voter fraud, documented instances of fraud related to VBM are rare. However, even many scholars who argue that fraud is generally rare agree that fraud with VBM voting seems to be more frequent than with in-person voting. Two of the best-known cases of voter fraud involving absentee voting occurred in 1997 in Georgia and Miami.


    Damn those convictions of voter fraud with Absentee Ballots and Absentee Voting.
    Funny how in all the examples you listed the same word keeps poping up. "rare" or "extremely rare"
    "even many scholars who argue that fraud is generally rare agree that fraud with VBM voting seems to be more frequent"

    There have been cases of voter fraud. Occasional misguided Individual voters. People going into voting booths with their spouse to vote for them. A person here or there voting for a second time in a different state. These are just more examples of mercury in your glass of water.

    When voter fraud hits even 0.005% then you can wake me up. Even then, you don't ban voting. You take steps to secure it. The Trump solution is BAN! That's because he knows making it easier to vote is bad for him. Especially when he has never been winning in the polls, or in the popular vote of 2016.

    If you agree with making it harder to legally vote, you are in the wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    And has happened in the past.
    People keep saying this but there is no evidence of wide spread abuse that I have seen. Most of the charges I have seen have been about registrations not actual ballots. Of course there was the recent event in what was it Maryland?
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