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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    An unintended consequence. Bureaucrats, especially the intellectuals, rarely have to live with their ideas.
    That's often true but I think the greatest problem with bureaucracy by far is simply the fact that bureaucracy sooner or later becomes its own raison d'etre.
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    On the other hand, bureaucracy and the administrative state seem to have grown in tandem with the decline of meaningful communities so perhaps we have a strong link here to individualism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    That's often true but I think the greatest problem with bureaucracy by far is simply the fact that bureaucracy sooner or later becomes its own raison d'etre.
    And the idea of shutting down the government becomes horrific. The economy, sure, why not, but the government, oh, no, never!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    On the other hand, bureaucracy and the administrative state seem to have grown in tandem with the decline of meaningful communities so perhaps we have a strong link here to individualism.
    It can be said then that just as individualism arose out of secularized Christianity so too did the clarisy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Besides, feudalism isn't the topic. The history of how from church clerics emerged a clerisy of experts is. That and how that unelected army or bureaucrats is the bain of modern democracy.
    Neofeudalism and its new legitimisers

    It isn't??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    It can be said then that just as individualism arose out of secularized Christianity so too did the clarisy.
    The contemporary humanist or secular clerisy are certainly what you would call "cultural Christians" meaning that they take from Christianity what is supposedly human and reject everything supernatural. That's highly problematic but I digress. Anyway, in that sense I agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    The contemporary humanist or secular clerisy are certainly what you would call "cultural Christians" meaning that they take from Christianity what is supposedly human and reject everything supernatural. That's highly problematic but I digress. Anyway, in that sense I agree.
    Re that, just came across this: "How did it happen that this most Christian people, this profoundly, intimately interiorly Christian people, Christian in soul and at heart and to the very marrow of its bones, should have been turned into . . . this modern people, so profoundly intimately, interiorly unchristian, de-Christianized in heart and soul and marrow. So unchristian in blood."

    Peguy, Charles, “Clio I,” cited in Charles Peguy on the Hubris of Modernism
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Re that, just came across this: "How did it happen that this most Christian people, this profoundly, intimately interiorly Christian people, Christian in soul and at heart and to the very marrow of its bones, should have been turned into . . . this modern people, so profoundly intimately, interiorly unchristian, de-Christianized in heart and soul and marrow. So unchristian in blood."

    Peguy, Charles, “Clio I,” cited in Charles Peguy on the Hubris of Modernism
    You two guys crack me up.

    You're goin down with the ship huh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Re that, just came across this: "How did it happen that this most Christian people, this profoundly, intimately interiorly Christian people, Christian in soul and at heart and to the very marrow of its bones, should have been turned into . . . this modern people, so profoundly intimately, interiorly unchristian, de-Christianized in heart and soul and marrow. So unchristian in blood."

    Peguy, Charles, “Clio I,” cited in Charles Peguy on the Hubris of Modernism
    That was great, thanks. It touches on the differences between the two worldviews. While modernity is "pregnant with Biblical themes" (de Benoist) it's a decidedly unChristian worldview specifically in it's rejection of sin, grace and purpose.
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