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    Doc can you fathom what its like going to work everyday under a distinct set of orders. For 12 hrs you never know what you are going to be dealing with, every call is a potential violent encounter, you have no idea who is armed and who isnt. Drugs and Alcohol make people nuts and in some cases super strong. Youre alone you know help is minutes away, you cannot call for backup and WAIT if someone is in danger, a persons a threat to others or property you must act.

    Then you have those that cherry pick videoing you they are behind you beside you taunting you and verbally abusing you...White police officers should have a nickle for every time they are called a racist name. You have to make split second decisions when your in the midst of an event, youre nervous to scared and when you make the decision, someone instantly calls you a racist and or everything else under the sun then your superiors throw you under the bus to take care of themselves...the job sucks you cant rely on undersized and imcompetent others you know when your back up comes if its the wrong back up youre screwed because their worthless.

    I hope they defund the police and like the moron in minneapolis said disband them..thats what needs to happen to show the country who the TRUE BAD GUYS are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Common View Post
    Doc they do that now and have been doing it, all crimes are in the data base, no one is checking, all police that have bad records are in the data base especially the firearms database.

    Liberals love to talk about systemic everything, Police are systemically screwed up by the politicians in charge of it
    All 'bad acts' on the parts of LEOs do not necessarily involve the use of firearms as recent news can attest, nor do all of these incidents result in any prosecution. In fact, most probably don't, but they often result in disciplinary actions against the officer. More often than not, those who are worked over by over zealous LEOs, or women who are otherwise facing some kind of charges who end up being sexually assaulted by creepy officers, don't file formal complaints because they would require the kind of legal representation that they can't afford. They complain, but they don't press charges.

    That's why the existing database maintained by the FBI would not currently capture the bulk of these incidents. That said, police departments should be looking up prospective officers on the FBI database and googling their names on the internet.
    In quoting my post, you affirm and agree that you have not been goaded, provoked, emotionally manipulated or otherwise coerced into responding.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    The problem with ‘gypsy’ cops...

    “In law enforcement in the United States, the phrase gypsy cop is slang for a police officer who frequently transfers between police departments, often because of or regardless of misconduct or poor or unsuitable job performance.”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gypsy_cop

    Some Police Departments, it would seem, do not know the background of prospective officers, if they don’t disclose their work history. While you would think that hiring a LEO would require some sort of comprehensive background check, it doesn’t appear that it is necessarily standard practice for all law enforcement agencies. Take the case of Timothy Loehmann, the Cleveland officer who fatally shot 12-year-old Tamir Rice in 2014. Prior to joining the Cleveland PD, Loehmann resigned from a suburban police department shortly after his supervisor recommended his termination for, among other things, an inability to follow instructions.

    St. Louis police officer, Eddie Boyd III, “pistol-whipped a 12-year-old girl in the face in 2006, and in 2007 struck a child in the face with his gun or handcuffs before falsifying a police report, according to Missouri Department of Public Safety records”. He has since been hired by two other police departments.

    Smaller urban police departments without the resources to conduct extensive background checks and proper screening of officers all too often become the unwitting employers of these ‘gypsy’ cops.

    However in many states, records of officer complaints/disciplinary actions are not maintained in personnel records permanently, but are purged after a period of months or years, often at the discretion of the employee due to “expungement” clauses in the employment contract.
    https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news...-ames-11344616
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...be-kept-secret

    In Illinois, the Illinois Personnel Record Review Act prevents the disclosure of disciplinary records more than four years old. https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/ce...records-89121/

    Thus even if a prospective officer’s background was checked, the records of disciplinary or police misconduct actions may have been deleted. This effectively allows “bad apples” to move around from PD to PD with relative impunity.
    Then blame the liberals and the courts.

    When I first started then you had to worry about what a former employer would say and you had to behave yourself.
    Now if I get an inquiry. Start date. Finish date. That's it. If it the Unemployment office then I can give the reason for leaving. If I do anything else then I can end up in the court room.
    I fired one salesperson for stealing on the credit card. The next company that he worked for fired him for the same exact reason. I couldn't warn them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    The problem with ‘gypsy’ cops...

    “In law enforcement in the United States, the phrase gypsy cop is slang for a police officer who frequently transfers between police departments, often because of or regardless of misconduct or poor or unsuitable job performance.”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gypsy_cop

    Some Police Departments, it would seem, do not know the background of prospective officers, if they don’t disclose their work history. While you would think that hiring a LEO would require some sort of comprehensive background check, it doesn’t appear that it is necessarily standard practice for all law enforcement agencies. Take the case of Timothy Loehmann, the Cleveland officer who fatally shot 12-year-old Tamir Rice in 2014. Prior to joining the Cleveland PD, Loehmann resigned from a suburban police department shortly after his supervisor recommended his termination for, among other things, an inability to follow instructions.

    St. Louis police officer, Eddie Boyd III, “pistol-whipped a 12-year-old girl in the face in 2006, and in 2007 struck a child in the face with his gun or handcuffs before falsifying a police report, according to Missouri Department of Public Safety records”. He has since been hired by two other police departments.

    Smaller urban police departments without the resources to conduct extensive background checks and proper screening of officers all too often become the unwitting employers of these ‘gypsy’ cops.

    However in many states, records of officer complaints/disciplinary actions are not maintained in personnel records permanently, but are purged after a period of months or years, often at the discretion of the employee due to “expungement” clauses in the employment contract.
    https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news...-ames-11344616
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...be-kept-secret

    In Illinois, the Illinois Personnel Record Review Act prevents the disclosure of disciplinary records more than four years old. https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/ce...records-89121/

    Thus even if a prospective officer’s background was checked, the records of disciplinary or police misconduct actions may have been deleted. This effectively allows “bad apples” to move around from PD to PD with relative impunity.
    St. Louis, hasn't had a Republican mayor since 1945. Illinois, controlled by Democrats for decades. I'm sensing a pattern.
    Cutesy Time is OVER

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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    St. Louis, hasn't had a Republican mayor since 1945. Illinois, controlled by Democrats for decades. I'm sensing a pattern.
    Arizona, Nebraska, New Jersey, Ohio and Florida all have police contracts that include expungement clauses.
    In quoting my post, you affirm and agree that you have not been goaded, provoked, emotionally manipulated or otherwise coerced into responding.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Arizona, Nebraska, New Jersey, Ohio and Florida all have police contracts that include expungement clauses.
    List the specific departments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    All 'bad acts' on the parts of LEOs do not necessarily involve the use of firearms as recent news can attest, nor do all of these incidents result in any prosecution. In fact, most probably don't, but they often result in disciplinary actions against the officer. More often than not, those who are worked over by over zealous LEOs, or women who are otherwise facing some kind of charges who end up being sexually assaulted by creepy officers, don't file formal complaints because they would require the kind of legal representation that they can't afford. They complain, but they don't press charges.

    That's why the existing database maintained by the FBI would not currently capture the bulk of these incidents. That said, police departments should be looking up prospective officers on the FBI database and googling their names on the internet.
    You skirted everything I said to make cops sound bad...doc there are very very few incidents compared to the hundreds of thousands of interactions with police.

    More whites are killed by police but the media doesnt care about whiteboys they hardly even skim it to report and many times they totally ignore it...

    Just know this every prediction ive ever made about certain things I know about come to pass.
    Before this is over theres going to lots and lots more victims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Common View Post
    You skirted everything I said to make cops sound bad...doc there are very very few incidents compared to the hundreds of thousands of interactions with police.

    More whites are killed by police but the media doesnt care about whiteboys they hardly even skim it to report and many times they totally ignore it...

    Just know this every prediction ive ever made about certain things I know about come to pass.
    Before this is over theres going to lots and lots more victims.
    I wasn't referring to all officers, but just the 'bad apples' who you admit exist. Again, we are talking about those officers who usually get fired from police departments because of their actions, whether it be excessive use of force, allegations of sexual assault, use of alcohol/drugs on the job, stealing drugs from criminals or failing to follow police procedure. This has nothing to do with race, although I'm sure some officers have been terminated for racism as well. It's about ensuring that these individuals can't easily find themselves working for another PD in some other hapless community and adding to the growing negative perception about the police.
    In quoting my post, you affirm and agree that you have not been goaded, provoked, emotionally manipulated or otherwise coerced into responding.



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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    List the specific departments.
    The article mentions Jacksonville, Florida; Ralston, Nebraska; Hamilton County, Nebraska; Burlington Township, NJ; Cincinnati, Ohio and Worthington, Ohio.
    In quoting my post, you affirm and agree that you have not been goaded, provoked, emotionally manipulated or otherwise coerced into responding.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Arizona, Nebraska, New Jersey, Ohio and Florida all have police contracts that include expungement clauses.
    I expect the Unions negotiated for them. State legislatures should outlaw them.
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