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    Quote Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45 View Post
    Prior to the war people saw themselves as citizens of the states in which they resided, they were North Carolinian's or Virginians, or Ohoins, or New Yorker's, much like the members of the European Union see themselves as Germans or Spaniards or Italians today
    I think we ae getting back to that point. I have no idea what goes on in the liberals mind in CA, NY, MA... even though I go to those places often. The difference is that people in manufacturing are rarely liberal. I can only think the Liberals are the wait staff, burger flippers with pieces of metal sticking out of their eyes, ears nose and mouth.

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    The state's right to own slaves, and not allowing the $#@! to be covered under laws created for white people. I mean, let the letters of secession from each state speak for themselves. While you're at it, let the speeches given by the president of the Confederacy Jefferson Davis and VP of the Confederacy Alexender H. Stephens be entered in the record.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    The south succeeded because of slavery and only for that. Read the Succession Resolutions. It says it in plain English.
    Yes, a great deal of the reason the states seceded was to keep their slaves, but there are indications that slavery would have ended anyway in those states, even without the war.

    In addition, the Confederate Constitution banned the African/American slave trade. There was no interest in buying more slaves.
    From the Confederate Constitution:
    Sec. 9. (I) The importation of $#@!es of the African race from any foreign country other than the slaveholding States or Territories of the United States of America, is hereby forbidden; and Congress is required to pass such laws as shall effectually prevent the same.

    (2) Congress shall also have power to prohibit the introduction of slaves from any State not a member of, or Territory not belonging to, this Confederacy.
    https://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_csa.asp

    Less than a third of people living in the Confederate states owned slaves, and the majority of that small number who did, owned very few. The wealthy slaveholders were the ones who wanted to keep slavery alive at that time, although even they were not interested in seeing it grow. It was dying, and it was only a matter of time before abolitionists made greater headway in those states.

    Remember, the northern states owned slaves as well, and those slaveholders fought tooth and nail to keep their slaves, but the abolitionists methodically worked to ban slavery. The abolitionists were also active in the Confederate states and they, too, would have been successful, given time.

    No one said the North fought to free slaves. They fought to preserve the Union.
    This is true of course, which demonstrates that the North held no moral high ground. Their reasoning was purely economical.

    When slaves in the Confederate states were emancipated, slavery didn't end, however. The Union-border states still owned slaves for a while longer, so, in reality, the Union owned slaves the longest.
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    I hope this animation works. This shows the growth and change in both slave states and free states through 1861.


    US_Slave_Free_1789-1861.gif
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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    I hope this animation works. This shows the growth and change in both slave states and free states through 1861.


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    It works for me.

    It shows how the South's senate representation was going in the wrong direction (for the South).
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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    Yes, a great deal of the reason the states seceded was to keep their slaves, but there are indications that slavery would have ended anyway in those states, even without the war.

    In addition, the Confederate Constitution banned the African/American slave trade. There was no interest in buying more slaves.
    From the Confederate Constitution:
    Sec. 9. (I) The importation of $#@!es of the African race from any foreign country other than the slaveholding States or Territories of the United States of America, is hereby forbidden; and Congress is required to pass such laws as shall effectually prevent the same.

    (2) Congress shall also have power to prohibit the introduction of slaves from any State not a member of, or Territory not belonging to, this Confederacy.
    https://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_csa.asp

    Less than a third of people living in the Confederate states owned slaves, and the majority of that small number who did, owned very few. The wealthy slaveholders were the ones who wanted to keep slavery alive at that time, although even they were not interested in seeing it grow. It was dying, and it was only a matter of time before abolitionists made greater headway in those states.

    Remember, the northern states owned slaves as well, and those slaveholders fought tooth and nail to keep their slaves, but the abolitionists methodically worked to ban slavery. The abolitionists were also active in the Confederate states and they, too, would have been successful, given time.



    This is true of course, which demonstrates that the North held no moral high ground. Their reasoning was purely economical.

    When slaves in the Confederate states were emancipated, slavery didn't end, however. The Union-border states still owned slaves for a while longer, so, in reality, the Union owned slaves the longest.
    I mentioned this a while back but slavery was not abolished in NJ until after the war. The 13th Amendment was not passed by the NJ Legislature until January 1866.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    I mentioned this a while back but slavery was not abolished in NJ until after the war. The 13th Amendment was not passed by the NJ Legislature until January 1866.

    But, today's liberals not only don't know that -- they won't acknowledge it even if you tell them. They've got a thing about shaming today's descendants of the Confederacy, and no amount of truth is going to sway them from their goal.
    Last edited by FindersKeepers; 06-16-2020 at 12:20 PM.
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