The Problem of Human Rights

[Chris]

Social contract is a theory developed to explain the origin of the state and its legitimacy. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Right. Rousseau's theory of the origins of the state.

[Mister D]

Right. Rousseau's theory of the origins of the state.

And Locke's, Hume's...I should have said theories.

[Chris]

As I've said: there are no natural rights. The natural world and the unregulated human condition; see The Final Solution etc etc etc throughout history are what determines said rights. Natural rights and human rights are the very same thing. Each is considered dependent upon the society that reflects them to one degree or another. Therefore you are contradicting yourself by separating them. The Bill of Rights is part of pour social contract, and whatever you might believe it says it simply enumerates rights that Americans have and not at the exclusion of any other rights.

"there are no natural rights" & "Natural rights and human rights are the very same thing" ∴ human rights do not exist.

[jet57]

"there are no natural rights" & "Natural rights and human rights are the very same thing" ∴ human rights do not exist.

What?

[Chris]

And Locke's, Hume's...I should have said theories.

Hobbes too. I think Rousseau was first, which Hobbes critiqued and countered with his own, and Locke countered Hobbes, and then Hume...Rawls...................................... ........Jet.

[jet57]

Hobbes too. I think Rousseau was first, which Hobbes critiqued and countered with his own, and Locke countered Hobbes, and then Hume...Rawls...................................... ........Jet.

You're painted into a corner again eh?

[Mister D]

You're painted into a corner again eh?

Chris, this is where you stop. He's just babbling at this point.

[jet57]

Chris, this is where you stop. He's just babbling at this point.

Yeah, this is usually where he gives up and hands off to the trolls... He, nor you can disprove anything I've. You've just admitted that you've been painted into the other corner.

[Chris]

Chris, this is where you stop. He's just babbling at this point.

Yep.

To me the by far best argument against social contract theory is Lysander Spooner who basically said it violates natural law and I didn't sign the damned thing!

[Mister D]

"there are no natural rights" & "Natural rights and human rights are the very same thing" ∴ human rights do not exist.

What's funny is that human rights are by definition inherent to the human person. Their formulation precisely to sands in stark contrast to the notion that rights are dependent upon the state or society.