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    Getting more into civil war

    I was born in Michigan ( yankee)
    I am against any form of slavery

    Yet as I watch the key Battles ( I seem to always side with the rebels and view the Feds as illegal invaders )

    My heart is with the South ..very odd

    Just watched an episode on F.burg and Chan-ville battles that Lee one against all odds
    There is so many battles that It’s very hard to remember unlike WW2
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    it just goes on and on and I cannot remember

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    I've only occasionally felt the urge to read about the Civil War - or the "War of Northern Aggression" as my late Alabama-born mother-in-law would have it - although I do recall enjoying a couple of Bruce Catton's books on the subject many years ago. Most of what I've read about that war had to do with George Armstrong Custer, a particular interest of mine, and his involvement in it.

    Custer led troops at the Battle of Gettysburg, the Battle of Yellow Tavern and the Third Battle of Winchester, his actions in the last resulting in his promotion to the rank of Major General before he was 25. His relentless pursuit of Lee's Army of Northern Virginia is credited with hastening Lee's surrender. Custer had his faults, without question, but the man was personally fearless, sometimes pursuing the enemy so far ahead of his own troops that he had to turn and fight his way back through enemy lines to rejoin them. Arriving late for the surrender at Appomattox Courthouse, Custer is said to have had his company band strike up 'Dixie' as Lee rode away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dgold44 View Post
    I was born in Michigan ( yankee)
    I am against any form of slavery

    Yet as I watch the key Battles ( I seem to always side with the rebels and view the Feds as illegal invaders )

    My heart is with the South ..very odd

    Just watched an episode on F.burg and Chan-ville battles that Lee one against all odds
    There is so many battles that It’s very hard to remember unlike WW2
    What is that DIs always say: "You can give your heart to Jesus, but your ass belongs to the corp".

    You view the Feds as an enemy because you're world is framed by conservatism - which is neoconfederacy. My great great... great uncle died (union) at Vicksburg and my family fought on both sides actually: one of them was among the very last of the confederate holdouts in North Carolina AFTER the war was over!

    The south WAS winning up until Lee made his fatal mistake at Gettysburg. I think that, had the south maintained their defensive policy there might have been an end through negotiations rather than a surrender.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    What is that DIs always say: "You can give your heart to Jesus, but your ass belongs to the corp".

    You view the Feds as an enemy because you're world is framed by conservatism - which is neoconfederacy. My great great... great uncle died (union) at Vicksburg and my family fought on both sides actually: one of them was among the very last of the confederate holdouts in North Carolina AFTER the war was over!

    The south WAS winning up until Lee made his fatal mistake at Gettysburg. I think that, had the south maintained their defensive policy there might have been an end through negotiations rather than a surrender.
    They were forced on the defensive and they were pressed by the offensive until Lee realized the only option was surrender.

    Their only option was to disbanded and fight as guerrillas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    They were forced on the defensive and they were pressed by the offensive until Lee realized the only option was surrender.

    Their only option was to disbanded and fight as guerrillas.
    Define "forced on the defensive".

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    The other day,I was scrolling through my bookmarks and saw something I had forgotten about. 5 years ago I posted on my Facebook page about what I had found in my Civil War research on my ancestor on my mother's side in the 6th Florida Infantry. For some reason I bookmarked that and I think it's because of a reply I got. One of my mother's cousins who lives in Pensacola has done quite bit of genealogical research on our common family. One of his replies had some information that I must have overlooked or just didn't know what I didn't know. At that time everything I knew came from Ancestry and the National Archives. I didn't know fold3 existed or about the NPS database.


    As to the relative who posted that in my FB thread. His father and my mother's mother were siblings which I guess makes him my second cousin. We were both probably teenagers the last time we saw each other. In the message,he mentioned that his GG Grandfather,James Michael Bishop, fought with the 2nd Florida Cavalry(US). I don't think it clicked at the time that he was my GGG Grandfather. It clicked the other day but it was late and I was on my cellphone. It's easier searching fold3, Ancestry and NPS on a desktop.


    I did it the next day and found a lot of stuff. The first hurdle was that my second cousin had his regiment wrong. The fold3 records for James Michael Bishop say he was in the 1st Florida Cavalry(US), not the 2nd Florida Cavalry(US), and he enlisted on March 15,1864 and mustered out on Nov. 17,1865. There was a Jacob M. Bishop in the 2nd Florida Cavalry(US) in fold3 and he died of typhoid fever in Cedar Key,FLA in September 1864. I cross-checked the regiments on the NPS database and it matched.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgold44 View Post
    I was born in Michigan ( yankee)
    I am against any form of slavery

    Yet as I watch the key Battles ( I seem to always side with the rebels and view the Feds as illegal invaders )

    My heart is with the South ..very odd

    Just watched an episode on F.burg and Chan-ville battles that Lee one against all odds
    There is so many battles that It’s very hard to remember unlike WW2
    Not one confederate soldier writing home mentions slavery. States were like separate nations then. Lincoln asked Lee to be a general but Lee was a Virginian. Many states joined the south not because of slavery but because of northern aggression.
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    My granddaddy fought for the North but I too am more interested in the South. I have a collection of books on the war that I read 30 years ago and not much since. Here on the forum we argue a lot about causes but few refer to source documents. I think I need to read diaries and letters from soldiers to see what they thought and fought for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    My granddaddy fought for the North but I too am more interested in the South. I have a collection of books on the war that I read 30 years ago and not much since. Here on the forum we argue a lot about causes but few refer to source documents. I think I need to read diaries and letters from soldiers to see what they thought and fought for.
    Here's a good one:

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