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    Progressives team with science = woke science

    Progressives team with science = woke science

    The reaction to COVID 19 in the US (and elsewhere) seem to be a merging of progressive politics and science. That has caused a recession and creates the danger that woke science will invade other aspects of our political discourse and lives.

    America has reached an epistemological breaking point. For the first two months following the coronavirus outbreak, public-health experts insisted that we “follow the science” and implement their recommendations, even if it meant millions of lost jobs and significant restrictions on constitutionally protected activities, such as church attendance and freedom of assembly. Blue-state governors quickly positioned themselves as executors of this neutral scientific knowledge, condemning anti-lockdown protesters as “anti-scientific;” meantime, social media companies banned anti-lockdown groups and censored content from lockdown skeptics.


    But when protests erupted in the U.S. after the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis, many public-health experts reversed course—and subordinated “science” to their activist politics. The same doctors and nurses who once shamed churchgoers released petitions in support of Black Lives Matter and marched with tens of thousands of protesters in the streets. They categorized racism as a public-health threat and rationalized their participation in street demonstrations by deeming Covid-19 transmission the lesser of two evils. In other words, public-health experts rejected science in favor of progressive politics.

    Bergstrom’s subsequent conversion to “woke science,” however, was swift and absolute. On May 27, before the death of George Floyd dominated the news, the professor insisted he would wear a mask while walking alone in a public park, even if there is “only a 1-in-100,000 chance [to] save a life.” Three days later, after the outbreak of protests in Minneapolis and other cities, he tweeted that he was “heartbroken by the endemic state violence against people of color in America” and was reading Ibram X. Kendi’s book, How to Be an Antiracist. A few days later, Bergstrom conceded that “science is an inherently political activity” and endorsed the protests, making the dubious claim that millions of protesters rallying, chanting, and gathering in close quarters wouldn’t necessarily spread Covid-19—and even if they did, he “wholeheartedly support[ed] the protests nonetheless.”

    Here’s the problem: Bergstrom and other public-health experts persuaded Americans that their advice on the pandemic response was driven exclusively by science and underwritten by cold fact. They argued that politics should be subordinated to scientific knowledge—but when the political grounds shifted, they immediately reversed that formulation. Bergson’s case is especially damning. In less than a week, he made the moral leap from recommending behavioral modification for a “1-in-100,000 chance” of death to supporting protests that, according to his colleague Trevor Bedford, could cause up to 4,000 Covid-19 deaths.


    Scientists, like everyone else, are entitled to their personal opinions. But the fallout from the lockdowns and protests suggests that progressivism has become the default ideology of the public-health community; science is now a weaponized form of politics. In hindsight, it’s astonishing how quickly Americans ceded political authority to the public-health apparatus. This isn’t only antithetical to self-rule; it also accords constitutional protection to elite causes—and only elite causes. Attending a Black Lives Matter protest is permissible. Attending a church service is not.


    Left unchecked, the progressive-scientific alliance will penetrate additional domains of life. Whether it’s “housing is healthcare,” “harm reduction saves lives,” or “antiracism is public health,” slogans abound for subsuming science into politics.

    Read the entire article at the link.
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    The City Journal is a 'dark money' supported site for libertarian and conservative agitprop. You can find their supporters and once you do, you recognize their intent. Now a virus becomes a 'progressive' tool, how convenient. Of course you have to be a member of that church to believe that. I love the word 'woke' many of us were woke long ago, we didn't need a right wing presumed pejorative. Funny how words come to define. Take note that lost jobs matter more than lost lives and you know you are in libertarian silly land. Die workers for money counts more....
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    It is interesting to her one of the intellectuals talk about the Dem's not using Science to support their cause.

    In the case of Covid, I give you the illustrious Gov. Whitmer, Who thought it was a Great Idea to have the good people of Detroit Stay and home in the large public housing buildings that shared a heating and cooling system so the virus could easily pass between units and spread. She also thought it was a huge success to used the empty beds in Nursing homes to Quarantine People that had contracted the virus. Causing nearly half of the deaths from the virus to come from Nursing homes in the state and an additional 35% to come from the minority communities in the Detroit area. Yes our Gov. a rising star in the Democrat Party was able to kill more minorities in a few months than the KKK could have killed in a Century. And it was all done in the name of Science

    And then there is one of the pillars of the Socialist movement Climate Change. To watch the left flip flop on this one in the name of Science is some of the best comedy in the world today. I remember just a few short years ago when in 50 years you were going to be able to walk between Muskegon MI and Milwaukee WI as the Great Lakes were Drying up. Climate Change was responsible. Now we have homes sliding into the lake and the state is going to be flooded in the next 100 years, and you guessed it Climate change again.

    The Dems are the masters of fake and exploited science

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    Ignores the points made in the article.

    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    The City Journal is a 'dark money' supported site for libertarian and conservative agitprop. You can find their supporters and once you do, you recognize their intent. Now a virus becomes a 'progressive' tool, how convenient. Of course you have to be a member of that church to believe that. I love the word 'woke' many of us were woke long ago, we didn't need a right wing presumed pejorative. Funny how words come to define. Take note that lost jobs matter more than lost lives and you know you are in libertarian silly land. Die workers for money counts more....
    It is understandable that a progressive would be uncomfortable with the article.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Ignores the points made in the article.


    It is understandable that a progressive would be uncomfortable with the article.

    He always does that. Engages in ad hom rather than address the message.



    As to the topic, this is all nuts. Pre-protests, stay indoors. Protests, oh, it's ok. Trump rallies, omg, coronavirus!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    ....It is understandable that a progressive would be uncomfortable with the article.
    Any red blooded American should be uncomfortable with that mindless, inhumane nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    Any red blooded American should be uncomfortable with that mindless, inhumane nonsense.
    Except there is nothing mindless or inhumane about the article.

    That is a stupid comment.

    But congrats for actually responding as opposed to drive by posting.
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