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    Angry LGBT activists Promote Sex With Children


    If a conservative had said this would happen he would have been destroyed.

    "No California Shouldn’t Decriminalize Adult Sex With 14-Year-Olds
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    https://thefederalist.com/2020/08/12...-14-year-olds/

    LGBT activists have pushed reasonable notions of equality to its limits with obscene perversions. State Sen. Scott Wiener, D-San Francisco — the same lawmaker who co-sponsored a bill in 2017 to remove the felony penalty for knowingly exposing another person to HIV — has introduced a bill, Senate Bill 145 to give judges more flexibility in sentencing gay men who abuse minors.

    Under current law — which Wiener, who is gay, describes as “horrific homophobia” — a straight 24-year-old male who has sex with a 15-year-old girl can avoid being put on the sex-offender list if the judge feels the situation does not deserve it, but a gay man in the same scenario with a similar-aged boy would not be given the same option.

    Wiener’s argument is one of evolving social standards. In 2015, the California Supreme Court upheld the long-standing separation of vaginal sex from other forms of sex-based on the misguided idea that if pregnancy occurred, placing the father on the sex-offender list could ruin his chances of providing for his family. The extreme of the scenario would be an 18-year-old man with a 17-year-old girlfriend.

    Wiener’s bill, however, is not so straightforward. He argues all forms of sex should be treated equally under the law.

    The Law Will Protect Exploitation of Minors

    Moreover, while there is room for flexibility in a ruling in which a boy turns 18 while his girlfriend is still 17 and her father presses charges, the bill defines the age minimum at 14. Recognizing that minors cannot legally consent to sex, Wiener argues that if a minor age 14 to 17 voluntarily has sex with an adult who is less than 10 years older, the judge should decide based on the individual facts of the case whether the adult should be placed on the sex-offender registry. Data provided by Wiener’s office states, “[A]t least 2,400 people on the [CA] sex-offender registry, and potentially hundreds more, have been convicted of non-vaginal sex with a minor age 14 or older.”

    The argument on its own sounds like a simple proposal for equal treatment under the law. As Los Angeles Deputy District Attorney Bradley McCartt told state lawmakers, “Remember, it’s not the punishment for the crime. It’s a public safety issue that has to do with crime-solving and keeping track of predators.”

    But it is the mindset behind the age issue that is most concerning. “We need to stop criminalizing teenage sex,” Wiener said. “At a minimum, we should not be forcing these kids onto the sex-offender registry and ruining their lives.”

    The problem is that it isn’t about teenagers having sex. It’s about adults exploiting minors sexually and being legally protected in doing so. What possible justification would there be for a 24-year-old to have sex with a 15-year-old of either sex? The rational answer, of course, is there is none. Rather than addressing this reasonable concern, however, left-wing and LGBT sites decided opposition was homophobic and hateful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderKnight View Post
    ... Scott Wiener, D-San Francisco — the same lawmaker who co-sponsored a bill in 2017 to remove the felony penalty for knowingly exposing another person to HIV — has introduced a bill, Senate Bill 145 to give judges more flexibility in sentencing gay men who abuse minors...
    Wiener and his brethren are sowers of discontentment.

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    Weiner - good name for the pervert

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    Quote Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45 View Post
    Weiner - good name for the pervert
    Remember Anthony Weiner?

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    If you think about it - young people do get a lot of sex education through the schools these days - not to mention the fact that young people have access to more information than ever before. A 14 year old can go to a doctor in the UK and get birth control without their parents knowledge or consent and it should be the same in all US states shouldnt it? I mean what 14 year old doesnt know what sex is - and 14 year olds are people not property after all - their parents do not own them.

    If for one second we can forget this Christian idea that sex is some evil thing then is it really such a big deal for a 14 year old to have sex with a 24 year old? Im just asking the question and isnt it a question we need to ask ourselves as a society?

    Another thing - females are menstruating about a year earlier than they did just 20 years ago. Isnt nature trying to tell us something? Its a fact that females mature much faster than males do - shouldnt we be looking at lowering the age of consent laws at this point - especially for females? Or at least looking at some kind of test to determine when young people that want to become sexually active are mentally capable of giving informed consent? The age of consent is 16 in UK but is that low enough? I mean come on - a 14 year old can get birth control without their parents knowledge or consent anyway right? As long as the doctor or nurse feels that they are mature enough. How about some kind of mental age test? Not only would a mental age of consent test cover young people wanting to become sexually active that are under 16/UK or 18/US - this test would also protect young people that are not mentally capable of giving informed consent that happen to be over the age of consent - which could include not only the mentally immature but also the mentally handicapped. If you care about protecting mentally handicapped people from being exploited then a mental age of consent test is an idea that you should support. We wouldnt need to bother doctors with this in my opinion - the test could be part of the sex education programs that we have running in schools - teachers could give students the test at the end of the sex education programs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOneOnly2 View Post
    If you think about it - young people do get a lot of sex education through the schools these days - not to mention the fact that young people have access to more information than ever before. A 14 year old can go to a doctor in the UK and get birth control without their parents knowledge or consent and it should be the same in all US states shouldnt it? I mean what 14 year old doesnt know what sex is - and 14 year olds are people not property after all - their parents do not own them.

    If for one second we can forget this Christian idea that sex is some evil thing then is it really such a big deal for a 14 year old to have sex with a 24 year old? Im just asking the question and isnt it a question we need to ask ourselves as a society?

    Another thing - females are menstruating about a year earlier than they did just 20 years ago. Isnt nature trying to tell us something? Its a fact that females mature much faster than males do - shouldnt we be looking at lowering the age of consent laws at this point - especially for females? Or at least looking at some kind of test to determine when young people that want to become sexually active are mentally capable of giving informed consent? The age of consent is 16 in UK but is that low enough? I mean come on - a 14 year old can get birth control without their parents knowledge or consent anyway right? As long as the doctor or nurse feels that they are mature enough. How about some kind of mental age test? Not only would a mental age of consent test cover young people wanting to become sexually active that are under 16/UK or 18/US - this test would also protect young people that are not mentally capable of giving informed consent that happen to be over the age of consent - which could include not only the mentally immature but also the mentally handicapped. If you care about protecting mentally handicapped people from being exploited then a mental age of consent test is an idea that you should support. We wouldnt need to bother doctors with this in my opinion - the test could be part of the sex education programs that we have running in schools - teachers could give students the test at the end of the sex education programs.
    No one is mature enough at 14 to be making well-informed decisions about sex, which has life-long implications in the form of children, trauma and sexually transmitted infections that might not have a cure. That doesn't account for a whole slew of things that could come up in a relationship or sexual encounter (photos, abuse, bullying from peers). Teenagers should have access to birth control without parents, but age of consent laws exist for a reason and menstruation occurring earlier does not mean that a female is more mentally mature.
    FYIWDWYTM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adelaide View Post
    No one is mature enough at 14 to be making well-informed decisions about sex, which has life-long implications in the form of children, trauma and sexually transmitted infections that might not have a cure. That doesn't account for a whole slew of things that could come up in a relationship or sexual encounter (photos, abuse, bullying from peers). Teenagers should have access to birth control without parents, but age of consent laws exist for a reason and menstruation occurring earlier does not mean that a female is more mentally mature.
    Yes but learning about healthy relationships is part of the sex education programs. These education programs can cover all the things that you mention.

    All I am saying is that to choose some age like 16 or 18 as if it is a magical number that when passed automatically means the individual is now capable of informed consent is a bit silly isnt it? I think its about time we started giving young people more credit for the most part but like I said - I also care about protecting young people that are not capable of giving informed consent when they do reach that magical number of 16/18. Is a young person with down syndrome or whatever mental disability really capable of giving informed consent when they turn 16/18? Even without mental disability there are going to be individuals that are not mentally mature enough to give informed consent when they reach the magical number right? Some kind of mental age test could protect these people right? And liberate young people that mature before they reach the magical number.

    And another thing to consider is this - is it really impossible for a young person and an older person to have a healthy relationship that involves sex? Isnt it more likely that a young person will be treated better by an older person than some immature boy? Is it really better for young people to be losing their virginity after a prom than with a caring older person? If young people can have sex with each other then why cant the rest of us have sex with them too? Whats the problem? isnt that a question society needs to ask at this stage? Come on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOneOnly2 View Post
    Yes but learning about healthy relationships is part of the sex education programs. These education programs can cover all the things that you mention.

    All I am saying is that to choose some age like 16 or 18 as if it is a magical number that when passed automatically means the individual is now capable of informed consent is a bit silly isnt it? I think its about time we started giving young people more credit for the most part but like I said - I also care about protecting young people that are not capable of giving informed consent when they do reach that magical number of 16/18. Is a young person with down syndrome or whatever mental disability really capable of giving informed consent when they turn 16/18? Even without mental disability there are going to be individuals that are not mentally mature enough to give informed consent when they reach the magical number right? Some kind of mental age test could protect these people right? And liberate young people that mature before they reach the magical number.

    And another thing to consider is this - is it really impossible for a young person and an older person to have a healthy relationship that involves sex? Isnt it more likely that a young person will be treated better by an older person than some immature boy? Is it really better for young people to be losing their virginity after a prom than with a caring older person? If young people can have sex with each other then why cant the rest of us have sex with them too? Whats the problem? isnt that a question society needs to ask at this stage? Come on.

    The principles of a healthy relationship and the actual practice of having one are entirely different; one requires infinitely more maturity. Even adults manage to $#@! that up.

    The arbitrary numbers that are chosen are usually a combination of taking into account maturity but also a certain level of realism; it is more acceptable and more likely that a 16 to 18-year-old is going to have sex, and that they might have sex with someone older than them. Romeo and Juliet laws sort of coming into play there, also. It's totally different than a 14-year-old and a 24-year old. Does it really matter if it's 16 or 18? Probably not, but generally there are still rules about the age gap and 14 is pretty young for any sex, nonetheless sex with an adult in their mid-20s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adelaide View Post
    No one is mature enough at 14 to be making well-informed decisions about sex, which has life-long implications in the form of children, trauma and sexually transmitted infections that might not have a cure. That doesn't account for a whole slew of things that could come up in a relationship or sexual encounter (photos, abuse, bullying from peers). Teenagers should have access to birth control without parents, but age of consent laws exist for a reason and menstruation occurring earlier does not mean that a female is more mentally mature.
    And sure earlier menstruation doesnt have anything to do with mental age but the fact is that females do mature faster mentally than males so shouldnt the magical number be lower for females than for males?

    Girls' brains can begin maturing from the age of 10 while some men have to wait until 20 before the same organisational structures take place, Newcastle University scientists have found. It is a well known truism that girls mature faster than boys.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/sci...ists-find.html

    If its 16/18 for males fair enough I guess. Seems a bit high to me. But shouldnt we at least work on lowering age of consent for females? Come on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOneOnly2 View Post
    And sure earlier menstruation doesnt have anything to do with mental age but the fact is that females do mature faster mentally than males so shouldnt the magical number be lower for females than for males?


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/sci...ists-find.html

    If its 16/18 for males fair enough I guess. Seems a bit high to me. But shouldnt we at least work on lowering age of consent for females? Come on.
    Begin maturing, per that specific article - that doesn't mean females complete emotional and mental maturing by 14 years of age (or 16, or 18 years of age). Having been a 14 year old girl, I can tell you right now that is way too young for the age of consent.
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