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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardMZhlubb View Post
    Eliminate the electoral college, fix senate representation, add the equal rights amendment, eliminate natural born citizen requirement for president, for starters.
    Underlined: our Founders specifically didn't want a democracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Underlined: our Founders specifically didn't want a democracy.
    The left isnt able to figure that out nor the Electoral College.
    History does not long Entrust the care of Freedom, to the Weak or Timid!!!!! Dwight D. Eisenhower ~

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardMZhlubb View Post
    Eliminate the electoral college, fix senate representation, add the equal rights amendment, eliminate natural born citizen requirement for president, for starters.
    All of those position are irrational.


    We could fix Senate Representation by repealing the 17th amendment.

    How would you guard against one party rule and ensuring that those outside of the largest metropolitan areas are not ignored?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Underlined: our Founders specifically didn't want a democracy.
    That is why they created a representative republic with government power limited by a constitution

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Underlined: our Founders specifically didn't want a democracy.
    The founders wanted a lot of things that turned out to be problematic and have since been rejected. The question isn’t what they wanted, it’s what’s best for our modern world. And, the answer to that question is that we need a better system to more accurately reflect the interests of the American people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardMZhlubb View Post
    The founders wanted a lot of things that turned out to be problematic and have since been rejected. The question isn’t what they wanted, it’s what’s best for our modern world. And, the answer to that question is that we need a better system to more accurately reflect the interests of the American people.
    What’s best for the modern world is to summarily reject all of your ideas.

    Enactment of your ideas would create one party rule guided by one ideology. An ideology of intolerance. Debate and dissent would no longer exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
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    What’s best for the modern world is to summarily reject all of your ideas.

    Enactment of your ideas would create one party rule guided by one ideology. An ideology of intolerance. Debate and dissent would no longer exist.
    Kind of telling that you admit that the current system functions to give Republicans more of a say in government than they actually could achieve with straight popular voting. The solution isn’t keeping the current imbalanced system, it’s getting Republicans to consider adopting policies with majority support and to stop nominating candidates disliked by most Americans, if they want to stay relevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardMZhlubb View Post
    Kind of telling that you admit that the current system functions to give Republicans more of a say in government than they actually could achieve with straight popular voting. The solution isn’t keeping the current imbalanced system, it’s getting Republicans to consider adopting policies with majority support and to stop nominating candidates disliked by most Americans, if they want to stay relevant.
    Where did I say anything about Republicans? You're the one proving to be a partisan hack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransom View Post
    Moscow Mitch, Corruption killer Barr, and Trump haunt you don't they?

    The bold type especially telling. They do make decaf, mini me. And come up with a better f'n avatar name. Something original.
    Yowsah, Massa Random! Seig heil!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardMZhlubb View Post
    Kind of telling that you admit that the current system functions to give Republicans more of a say in government than they actually could achieve with straight popular voting. The solution isn’t keeping the current imbalanced system, it’s getting Republicans to consider adopting policies with majority support and to stop nominating candidates disliked by most Americans, if they want to stay relevant.
    The system of representation for the Senate (2 per state) has nothing to do with political party. It has to do with the Founder's reasons for using an undemocratic process (pre-17th Amendment) to select senators and limiting them to two per state regardless of population. Recall they represent their states, not the people of their states. This puts states on equal footing.

    Above I said our Founders gave us a complex political system that created checks and balances in a few ways. One we all know about: the three branches of government. One we see, but few understand is the way the politicians are elected.

    The House of Representatives: directly elected by the people of a voting district.

    The Senate: State legislatures selected senators to represent the states' interests in Congress. This is not direct democracy. It does make state legislatures more important in that they are directly elected by the people so who they may support for Senate becomes a political issue.

    The President: Again, this is not a direct democracy. The popular vote elects electors who then vote for the President. The Founders did this precisely because they did not trust direct democracy. It also give states some power in the process although not as much as the pre-17th Amendment selection of senators.
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