Im baffled

[Common]

Im not mentioning any names...and this is not an insult thread.

Im baffled how this forum and others and the country itself has so many intelligent people, far more educated and many alot more intelligent than I can believe what the democrats are doing right now today is RIGHT or good for the country im not talking just the riots and looting, im talking the democrat agenda as a whole...socialism, men in womens bathrooms and destroying womens sports, wide open borders and on and on..the entire agenda.
I cant grasp how they think this is all good for america.

Look I understand what equality is and I understand what racism is..and I fully understand people wanting equality and to end racism....but they way they are going about it wont work..You cant force anyone to like you, you can only make them dislike you more the more you try to force them...they have to be shown why their dislike is misplaced and telling them you are going to take over and get them isnt it...

You are not going to change the fundamental patriotism of americans by tearing down statues and rewriting history

I really cant comprehend the mentality that could make intelligent people be for whats going on, I really cant

[gamewell45]

Im not mentioning any names...and this is not an insult thread.

Im baffled how this forum and others and the country itself has so many intelligent people, far more educated and many alot more intelligent than I can believe what the democrats are doing right now today is RIGHT or good for the country im not talking just the riots and looting, im talking the democrat agenda as a whole...socialism, men in womens bathrooms and destroying womens sports, wide open borders and on and on..the entire agenda.
I cant grasp how they think this is all good for america.

Look I understand what equality is and I understand what racism is..and I fully understand people wanting equality and to end racism....but they way they are going about it wont work..You cant force anyone to like you, you can only make them dislike you more the more you try to force them...they have to be shown why their dislike is misplaced and telling them you are going to take over and get them isnt it...

You are not going to change the fundamental patriotism of americans by tearing down statues and rewriting history

I really cant comprehend the mentality that could make intelligent people be for whats going on, I really cant

I think the only rational explanation is that they must be so unhappy with the way things are right now, they are willing to try anything else if the changes have a positive effect (in their minds) on their lives.

I think it's just a phase we are undergoing right now and it'll pass in due time. It reminds me of the so-called hippie revolution of the late sixties/early seventies where the likes of Abbie Hoffman, Timothy Leary, Jerry Rubin and others were going to take over the country and we all would live in communes and become communists wearing flower power tee shirts and psychedelic music would replace Frank Sinatra and Tony Bennett. Eventually it ended and it was just another phase the country went through. I'm thinking along these lines of thinking that it might take a few years but eventually it'll fade away like the hippie movement.

Probably no one here will agree with me, but that's my thoughts on the topic.

[Dr. Who]

I think the only rational explanation is that they must be so unhappy with the way things are right now, they are willing to try anything else if the changes have a positive effect (in their minds) on their lives.

I think it's just a phase we are undergoing right now and it'll pass in due time. It reminds me of the so-called hippie revolution of the late sixties/early seventies where the likes of Abbie Hoffman, Timothy Leary, Jerry Rubin and others were going to take over the country and we all would live in communes and become communists wearing flower power tee shirts and psychedelic music would replace Frank Sinatra and Tony Bennett. Eventually it ended and it was just another phase the country went through. I'm thinking along these lines of thinking that it might take a few years but eventually it'll fade away like the hippie movement.

Probably no one here will agree with me, but that's my thoughts on the topic.

There are a couple of theories that might be applicable here:

Fourth Turning theory
The Strauss–Howe generational theory, also known as the Fourth Turning theory or simply the Fourth Turning, which was created by authors William Strauss and Neil Howe, describes a theorized recurring generation cycle in American history. According to the theory, historical events are associated with recurring generational personas (archetypes). Each generational persona unleashes a new era (called a turning) in which a new social, political, and economic climate exists. Turnings tend to last around 20–22 years. They are part of a larger cyclical "saeculum" (a long human life, which usually spans between 80 and 90 years, although some saecula have lasted longer). The theory states that after every saeculum, a crisis recurs in American history, which is followed by a recovery (high). During this recovery, institutions and communitarian values are strong. Ultimately, succeeding generational archetypes attack and weaken institutions in the name of autonomy and individualism, which ultimately creates a tumultuous political environment that ripens conditions for another crisis.

Schlesinger cycles of United States history
The Cyclical theory (United States history)[13][14][15][16] is a theory of US history developed by Arthur M. Schlesinger Sr. and Arthur M. Schlesinger Jr.. It states that US history alternates between two kinds of phases:

• Liberal, increasing democracy, public purpose, concern with the wrongs of the many and human rights
• Conservative, containing democracy, private interest, concern with the rights of the few and property rights

Each kind of phase generates the other. Liberal phases generate conservative phases from activism burnout, and conservative phases generate liberal phases from accumulation of unsolved problems.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_cycle_theory

[Peter1469]

There are a couple of theories that might be applicable here:

Fourth Turning theory
The Strauss–Howe generational theory, also known as the Fourth Turning theory or simply the Fourth Turning, which was created by authors William Strauss and Neil Howe, describes a theorized recurring generation cycle in American history. According to the theory, historical events are associated with recurring generational personas (archetypes). Each generational persona unleashes a new era (called a turning) in which a new social, political, and economic climate exists. Turnings tend to last around 20–22 years. They are part of a larger cyclical "saeculum" (a long human life, which usually spans between 80 and 90 years, although some saecula have lasted longer). The theory states that after every saeculum, a crisis recurs in American history, which is followed by a recovery (high). During this recovery, institutions and communitarian values are strong. Ultimately, succeeding generational archetypes attack and weaken institutions in the name of autonomy and individualism, which ultimately creates a tumultuous political environment that ripens conditions for another crisis.

Schlesinger cycles of United States history
The Cyclical theory (United States history)[13][14][15][16] is a theory of US history developed by Arthur M. Schlesinger Sr. and Arthur M. Schlesinger Jr.. It states that US history alternates between two kinds of phases:

• Liberal, increasing democracy, public purpose, concern with the wrongs of the many and human rights
• Conservative, containing democracy, private interest, concern with the rights of the few and property rights

Each kind of phase generates the other. Liberal phases generate conservative phases from activism burnout, and conservative phases generate liberal phases from accumulation of unsolved problems.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_cycle_theory

The bolded:

In our case, the liberals are using the heavy hand of the State to achieve the stated ends. They claim they want democracy but they offer socialism.

Conservatives think there are better ways to achieve those ends. And this list of ends is wrong. I can agree with containing democracy in the sense that democracy is rule of the mob, dangerous to society, and something our Founders loathed. I would swap individual rights for private interests which sounds Marxist. I would remove concerned with the rights of the few as that is simply not accurate. Keep property rights since that is the basis of capitalism. I suspect that was added here as a negative, again invoking Marx or socialism.

The reason things are so "hot" now is that the two sides are close to polar opposites. It is like good v. evil. But both sides think they are good and the other evil. I know where I stand on that. Liberty good, socialism evil.

[FindersKeepers]

There are a couple of theories that might be applicable here:

Fourth Turning theory
The Strauss–Howe generational theory, also known as the Fourth Turning theory or simply the Fourth Turning, which was created by authors William Strauss and Neil Howe, describes a theorized recurring generation cycle in American history. According to the theory, historical events are associated with recurring generational personas (archetypes). Each generational persona unleashes a new era (called a turning) in which a new social, political, and economic climate exists. Turnings tend to last around 20–22 years. They are part of a larger cyclical "saeculum" (a long human life, which usually spans between 80 and 90 years, although some saecula have lasted longer). The theory states that after every saeculum, a crisis recurs in American history, which is followed by a recovery (high). During this recovery, institutions and communitarian values are strong. Ultimately, succeeding generational archetypes attack and weaken institutions in the name of autonomy and individualism, which ultimately creates a tumultuous political environment that ripens conditions for another crisis.

Schlesinger cycles of United States history
The Cyclical theory (United States history)[13][14][15][16] is a theory of US history developed by Arthur M. Schlesinger Sr. and Arthur M. Schlesinger Jr.. It states that US history alternates between two kinds of phases:

• Liberal, increasing democracy, public purpose, concern with the wrongs of the many and human rights
• Conservative, containing democracy, private interest, concern with the rights of the few and property rights

Each kind of phase generates the other. Liberal phases generate conservative phases from activism burnout, and conservative phases generate liberal phases from accumulation of unsolved problems.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_cycle_theory

This sort of theory is fascinating and I've heard similar theories and I think all of them are worth considering.

One of the most interesting aspects -- to me -- is watching values flip and not always in a good way.

Consider that survival of the fittest was an unwritten rule that ran through every culture and society -- the strong, the warriors, the leaders -- they were valued above others, and they, in turn, protected their society. That often led to warring and the subjugation of other people, but it played out for thousands of years.

Now, the values are flipping from respect and honor of the strong, to respect and honor of the weak and the meekest among us. Is that sustainable? I don't think so. At least not for very long.

Enter the crisis in the theory you posted. Law and order flipped on its ear. Demand for a living wage no matter the work ethic or skill. Tearing down statues and memorials that were built to honor strength and leadership. Allowing the inmates to run the asylum (CHOP) in Seattle. Making excuses for looters and rioters (they're so angry at not being equal), allowing girls sports to be upended by trans who have a very different muscle and hormone set.

Now, if you're a victim (or perceived victim; Bubba, Smollett, #MeToo) you're thrust into the spotlight as some sort of saint. It's an honor to be a victim. It's shameful to be strong.

I don't think it's sustainable, but it is fascinating to observe. I think the crisis is coming, although the peak is still a few years -- or decades -- off.

I watch these kids who are destroying everything and I understand that they think they're doing the right thing -- they think they're changing the world to make it a better place. Their hearts are in the right place, but they're not intellectually engaging. Perhaps we can't avoid this cycle. I just hope we can survive it.

[stjames1_53]

Im not mentioning any names...and this is not an insult thread.

Im baffled how this forum and others and the country itself has so many intelligent people, far more educated and many alot more intelligent than I can believe what the democrats are doing right now today is RIGHT or good for the country im not talking just the riots and looting, im talking the democrat agenda as a whole...socialism, men in womens bathrooms and destroying womens sports, wide open borders and on and on..the entire agenda.
I cant grasp how they think this is all good for america.

Look I understand what equality is and I understand what racism is..and I fully understand people wanting equality and to end racism....but they way they are going about it wont work..You cant force anyone to like you, you can only make them dislike you more the more you try to force them...they have to be shown why their dislike is misplaced and telling them you are going to take over and get them isnt it...

You are not going to change the fundamental patriotism of americans by tearing down statues and rewriting history

I really cant comprehend the mentality that could make intelligent people be for whats going on, I really cant

It really started a number of years ago. At one time, thought was given over feelings because thought is required for analytical thinking and that is needed to succeed. Feelings don't serve the Human Condition, but it has been used as a weapon against thought. That is evident in the education process.
Those who were raised with "thinking" are often ahead of the curve for feelings.
"Feelings" are more important than the thought process, today. All of this raging is actually based on "feelings" and there are none in here that can argue that point.
The next time someone is screaming at you, ask them why they "feel" that way, then ask them what they think. 9 times out of 10, they will respond with something along the lines of "I feel"..........ok, but what do you think?
Most wont or are unable to answer the thoughtful question without loading it up with "feeling...."

[midcan5]

If American conservatives didn't whine what would they do? Progress is often complex, grow up children. If you really understood what racism and inequality were, you would stop whining and vote for people who push American forward, and not vote for the hate and divisiveness Trump represents.

http://www.commondreams.org/views/20...merica-pass-it

"Every fact of science was once Damned. Every invention was considered impossible. Every discovery was a nervous shock to some orthodoxy. Every artistic innovation was denounced as fraud and folly. The entire web of culture and "progress," everything on earth that is man-made and not given to us by nature, is the concrete manifestation of some man's refusal to bow to Authority." Robert Anton Wilson


"Liberals demand that the social order should in principle be capable of explaining itself at the tribunal of each person's understanding." Jeremy Waldron

[stjames1_53]

If American conservatives didn't whine what would they do? Progress is often complex, grow up children. If you really understood what racism and inequality were, you would stop whining and vote for people who push American forward, and not vote for the hate and divisiveness Trump represents.

http://www.commondreams.org/views/20...merica-pass-it

"Every fact of science was once Damned. Every invention was considered impossible. Every discovery was a nervous shock to some orthodoxy. Every artistic innovation was denounced as fraud and folly. The entire web of culture and "progress," everything on earth that is man-made and not given to us by nature, is the concrete manifestation of some man's refusal to bow to Authority." Robert Anton Wilson


"Liberals demand that the social order should in principle be capable of explaining itself at the tribunal of each person's understanding." Jeremy Waldron

Pure idiocy............those people you support live with their feet planted in the 1800's. You should be ashamed to call yourself a progressive when all of your actions and words support regression.
Just what is being withheld from you? What have you been denied?
What Rights have you lost?
Or are you suggesting you need more "Special Rights"
You are a hack............you wouldn't know patriotism if it hit your nose. But I get it, you want the US to burn..............enjoying the fire so far?

[Peter1469]

Conservatives don't wine.

That is projection from Beta libs.

Projection is the process of displacing one’s feelings onto a different person, animal, or object. The term is most commonly used to describe defensive projection—attributing one’s own unacceptable urges to another. The concept emerged from Sigmund Freud’s work in the 1890s.

If American conservatives didn't whine what would they do? Progress is often complex, grow up children. If you really understood what racism and inequality were, you would stop whining and vote for people who push American forward, and not vote for the hate and divisiveness Trump represents.

http://www.commondreams.org/views/20...merica-pass-it

"Every fact of science was once Damned. Every invention was considered impossible. Every discovery was a nervous shock to some orthodoxy. Every artistic innovation was denounced as fraud and folly. The entire web of culture and "progress," everything on earth that is man-made and not given to us by nature, is the concrete manifestation of some man's refusal to bow to Authority." Robert Anton Wilson


"Liberals demand that the social order should in principle be capable of explaining itself at the tribunal of each person's understanding." Jeremy Waldron

[stjames1_53]

I have a better suggestion after thinking about it. Clean it up next time and send the bill to the city. If they waffle, file a claim on the property.
You can do this without a lawyer. Easy peasy.............