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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    Did the American revolution not require force of arms to succeed? Do conservatives now not prepare for the day they have to maintain their livelihoods through force of arms?
    You are very correct, which is why the Marxist states do not allow the private ownership of arms.

    What the US revolution did not require that all Marxist States do is the purging of those that do not believe the same way that you do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    Did the American revolution not require force of arms to succeed? Do conservatives now not prepare for the day they have to maintain their livelihoods through force of arms?
    The American Revolution overthrew tyranny of a foreign government. You don't want to "maintain" your livelihood, you want to climb onto the backs of someone else and live off of them. I work 60+ hours a week as a poor country lawyer just to make ends meet. It's funny, the little socialist in my office doesn't work like that. Hmmmmm. Her bonus will reflect her production.

    I think conservatives prepare for the day when they have to defend their lives and their way of life. Go out there and earn it, rather than taking it from someone that has earned it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    The American Revolution overthrew tyranny of a foreign government. You don't want to "maintain" your livelihood, you want to climb onto the backs of someone else and live off of them. I think conservatives prepare for the day when they have to defend their lives and their way of life. Go out there and earn it, rather than taking it from someone that has earned it.
    How dare you suggest that people actually work! That is not what the agitators are looking for. It is also the reason that they are purged after they bring about the socialist revolution. They are dead weight when the socialist are in power and dead weight is not tolerated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Where have we seen laissez-faire capitalism?

    Right-wing deregulation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    Did the American revolution not require force of arms to succeed? Do conservatives now not prepare for the day they have to maintain their livelihoods through force of arms?
    Lots of arms and lots of force.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Right-wing deregulation.
    The US has a lot of regulations. So where is the laissez-faire capitalism?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    I find pretty much all of it interesting. As to what I agree with, I agree with him about the LTV and the fact that workers have long been exploited by their employers and that created the drastic imbalance in wealth that is present in our society. The solution he creates in his Critique of the Gotha Program​ is pretty sound, in my opinion.


    Sure, as with anything I've seen good examples and bad. The bad usually relies on state force, which wasn't really something Marx advocated.
    I think Marxism is a derivative of capitalism in two ways. Marxism (really socialism and communism in all of its forms) would not exist were it not for the conditions of urban workers particularly in terms of dissolute lifestyles and poor family life. Materially, most of them were actually better off. On the other hand and despite the fact that most of us perceive capitalism and Marxism as polar opposites the two share many of the same premises and differ principally on how the wealth produced by the market is to be distributed.

    Regarding the LTV, it's important to place emphasis on human labor but the theory misses the mark, IMO, because it makes labor the sole criterion of value. This is an example I encountered while reading a Catholic treatise sympathetic overall to the LTV: (paraphrased) a vineyard in Iceland will require much more labor to produce inferior wine while a vineyard in Portugal will produce superior wine with a fraction of the labor. In this case, the LTV takes no account of the natural conditions under which a good is produced.

    Just some thoughts.

    Marx's work isn't a blueprint for Communism. How it's actually to be implemented is left to his interpreters. It has been a tragic tale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    The US has a lot of regulations. So where is the laissez-faire capitalism?
    I just told you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zelmo1234 View Post
    You are very correct, which is why the Marxist states do not allow the private ownership of arms.

    What the US revolution did not require that all Marxist States do is the purging of those that do not believe the same way that you do.
    Well, yes and no. Ever hear of the Communist Control Act of 1954?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commun...0by%20a%20jury

    It made it a criminal offense to be a member of the Communist Party or any similar organization. It wasn't declared unconstitutional by a federal court until 1973, and to date the Supreme Court has never ruled on it. Except to keep declared Communist candidates off one ballot or another, it has never been enforced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    I just told you.
    I demonstrated that you were wrong.
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