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    On Behalf Of Environmentalists, I Apologize For The Climate Scare

    On Behalf Of Environmentalists, I Apologize For The Climate Scare

    I didn't check on the publication or the author, but was interested in the content of the article.

    On behalf of environmentalists everywhere, I would like to formally apologize for the climate scare we created over the last 30 years. Climate change is happening. It’s just not the end of the world. It’s not even our most serious environmental problem.
    I may seem like a strange person to be saying all of this. I have been a climate activist for 20 years and an environmentalist for 30.


    But as an energy expert asked by Congress to provide objective expert testimony, and invited by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) to serve as Expert Reviewer of its next Assessment Report, I feel an obligation to apologize for how badly we environmentalists have misled the public.


    Here are some facts few people know:
    • Humans are not causing a “sixth mass extinction”
    • The Amazon is not “the lungs of the world”
    • Climate change is not making natural disasters worse
    • Fires have declined 25% around the world since 2003
    • The amount of land we use for meat — humankind’s biggest use of land — has declined by an area nearly as large as Alaska
    • The build-up of wood fuel and more houses near forests, not climate change, explain why there are more, and more dangerous, fires in Australia and California
    • Carbon emissions are declining in most rich nations and have been declining in Britain, Germany, and France since the mid-1970s
    • Netherlands became rich not poor while adapting to life below sea level
    • We produce 25% more food than we need and food surpluses will continue to rise as the world gets hotter
    • Habitat loss and the direct killing of wild animals are bigger threats to species than climate change
    • Wood fuel is far worse for people and wildlife than fossil fuels
    • Preventing future pandemics requires more not less “industrial” agriculture

    I know that the above facts will sound like “climate denialism” to many people. But that just shows the power of climate alarmism.


    In reality, the above facts come from the best-available scientific studies, including those conducted by or accepted by the IPCC, the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations (FAO), the International Union for the Conservation of Nature (IUCN) and other leading scientific bodies.
    Read the rest at the link.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    On Behalf Of Environmentalists, I Apologize For The Climate Scare

    I didn't check on the publication or the author, but was interested in the content of the article.



    Read the rest at the link.
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    That OP was some fine deflecting, but none of it addressed the fact that fast global warming is occurring, and humans are causing it.

    There's room for debate on how bad the effects of the warming will be. Reasonable people can disagree there.

    Reasonable people can't disagree that fast global warming is occurring, and that humans are causing it. We see and measure the direct evidence for human-caused global warming, which means that claiming it isn't happening is denying reality, and that anyone making such a claim shouldn't be taken seriously by the grownups.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mamooth View Post
    That OP was some fine deflecting, but none of it addressed the fact that fast global warming is occurring, and humans are causing it.
    Read the article. Actually it clearly acknowledges that - by stating what it isn't, lists of extreme claims.
    Quote Originally Posted by mamooth View Post
    There's room for debate on how bad the effects of the warming will be. Reasonable people can disagree there.
    And he is saying the effects are not the extremes that are hyped and provides many example. Later in the article he explains why the extremes are hypes.
    Quote Originally Posted by mamooth View Post
    Reasonable people can't disagree that fast global warming is occurring, and that humans are causing it. We see and measure the direct evidence for human-caused global warming, which means that claiming it isn't happening is denying reality, and that anyone making such a claim shouldn't be taken seriously by the grownups.
    The article doesn't do this.

    Read the article.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mamooth View Post
    That OP was some fine deflecting, but none of it addressed the fact that fast global warming is occurring, and humans are causing it.
    There's room for debate on how bad the effects of the warming will be. Reasonable people can disagree there.
    Reasonable people can't disagree that fast global warming is occurring, and that humans are causing it. We see and measure the direct evidence for human-caused global warming, which means that claiming it isn't happening is denying reality, and that anyone making such a claim shouldn't be taken seriously by the grownups.
    The largest problem we have with anyone that questions Climate Change is it is one of the Sacraments of Socialism and the Democrat Party

    Here is a Quote from Peter's Article which is very interesting if you take the time to read it.

    "But mostly I was scared. I remained quiet about the climate disinformation campaign because I was afraid of losing friends and funding. The few times I summoned the courage to defend climate science from those who misrepresent it I suffered harsh consequences. And so I mostly stood by and did next to nothing as my fellow environmentalists terrified the public."

    And we know back as far a 2010 that the Global Warming back then was being covered up by the Scientific community

    https://www.theguardian.com/environm...-jones-chinese

    When the recession of the Glaciers reveals Civilization and Forests ? Well you know that we have been here before

    But it is a fear tactic of the left and they will NEVER give up a political weapon





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    Quote Originally Posted by zelmo1234 View Post
    The largest problem we have with anyone that questions Climate Change is it is one of the Sacraments of Socialism and the Democrat Party
    As one of my ongoing points is that climate issue is entirely political for the right, I thank you for proving more evidence in support of that point. You literally can't discuss the science without bringing politics into it, because to you, the issue is entirely about politics. If right-wing extremist fringe politics vanished, denialism would instantly vanish along with it.

    In contrast, the real science crosses all political boundaries all around the world, because it's real science. If left-wing politics vanished, the science wouldn't change at all.

    Here is a Quote from Peter's Article which is very interesting if you take the time to read it.
    Why I am supposed to about a marketing activist with no scientific training? I never heard his name before the right suddenly declared he was the voice of all environmentalism. He's not involved in the science, so nobody cares.

    And we know back as far a 2010 that the Global Warming back then was being covered up by the Scientific community.
    Given how badly deniers were humiliated when the extent of their Climategate fraud was revealed, I would think you'd want to bury that incident. Instead, you seem to want to relive the humiliation that caused the world to start correctly assuming that most deniers are frauds.

    When the recession of the Glaciers reveals Civilization and Forests ? ell you know that we have been here before
    That's a variation on the "DERPDERPDERP If climate changed naturally before, it means human can't change climate!" theory. Most deniers can't grasp why it's such a dumb theory. I'll give you a hint. According to that theory, since forest fires used to be caused naturally, humans are incapable of causing forest fires. Think about it.

    Remember, follow the money. All the corrupting bribe money flows from the denier side, which is why all the stinking corruption is on the denier side. Almost all scientists refuse to lie in exchange for that denier bribe money, which gives them even more credibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mamooth View Post
    As one of my ongoing points is that climate issue is entirely political for the right, I thank you for proving more evidence in support of that point. You literally can't discuss the science without bringing politics into it, because to you, the issue is entirely about politics. If right-wing extremist fringe politics vanished, denialism would instantly vanish along with it.

    In contrast, the real science crosses all political boundaries all around the world, because it's real science. If left-wing politics vanished, the science wouldn't change at all.



    Why I am supposed to about a marketing activist with no scientific training? I never heard his name before the right suddenly declared he was the voice of all environmentalism. He's not involved in the science, so nobody cares.


    Given how badly deniers were humiliated when the extent of their Climategate fraud was revealed, I would think you'd want to bury that incident. Instead, you seem to want to relive the humiliation that caused the world to start correctly assuming that most deniers are frauds.



    That's a variation on the "DERPDERPDERP If climate changed naturally before, it means human can't change climate!" theory. Most deniers can't grasp why it's such a dumb theory. I'll give you a hint. According to that theory, since forest fires used to be caused naturally, humans are incapable of causing forest fires. Think about it.

    Remember, follow the money. All the corrupting bribe money flows from the denier side, which is why all the stinking corruption is on the denier side. Almost all scientists refuse to lie in exchange for that denier bribe money, which gives them even more credibility.
    Climate change hysteria is politics. Nothing more.
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