The Confederate battle flag

[zelmo1234]

I hope that all can see my point in the post above.

Those who forget history, are doomed to repeat it.

The Star's and Bars, has come to represent Slavery apparently, but if you look at History, One of the reasons that the Southern States Left the Union was Slavery, and no body should deny that.

But the other was the States were loosing their rights as individual states. Thus nearly every State fought under a different flag. The fact that the southern states would not work together under a strong federal government is also one of the reasons that the south lost the war

But I would bet that you could fly many of those flags and not one person color would say a word, the reason is simple, they have forgotten our history

[Chris]

Since the Confederate battle flag has been in the news lately--the state of Mississippi is set to remove that emblem from its state flag--it seems appropriate to make a few observations.

It would actually be inaccurate--and perhaps a bit intellectually lazy--to imagine that this flag means the very same thing to all people.

For instance, I frequently see pickup trucks around here, with the Confederate flag displayed on the back windshield. Those who drive these trucks probably see themselves as some sort of rebels--and wish to announce this to the world (or, at least, to all in the surrounding community).

Others see it as a part of their Southern heritage--which they strongly embrace. (Yes, the antebellum South was a slave-holding society; but those who fall into this category are not especially fastidious about this matter--anymore than they are about, say, the matter that women were treated as inferiors at this time, in this place.)

Still others, no doubt, are genuine racists.

But it would be a serious mistake, I believe, to suppose that all who brandish this flag fall into the last of these categories.

But that is what the left expects. It's like a recent thread here on the meaning of gender. Now to most folks, it's synonymous or at least derived from sex. But to a few on the left, it's only the specialized and "agendivized" meaning that should be used, and if you disagree you're mocked. Here, to the left the Confederate flag is and only can be a symbol of racism, and if you see in it many meanings, you're mocked.

[nathanbforrest45]

It doesn't mean that the fight was not a just one.

Never said that. I know it was a just and noble cause. Despite what the No Nothings what to claim the fight actually started as early as 1800 and was centered around the onerous tariffs put in place by the North. It was also about what actually the role of the Federal Government in relation to the sovereignty of the several states. Also despite the claims of the fools on this forum the goal of the Southern States was not to overthrow the Union but to separate themselves from it and go their own way, a position they firmly believed was righteous.

[Ethereal]

"Liberals" don't hate the confederacy because of its connection to slavery. They hate the confederacy because it defied the authority of the US government, which is the ersatz god of modern liberalism.

All humans seem to have an instinctive need for religion or faith in a higher power. Modern liberalism rejects the traditional forms of religion, thinking they've somehow outgrown that ancient human impulse. In reality, they've just filled the void with something else: Government.

And the confederacy committed the worst sin possible: They denied and then defied the authority of the liberal god. No one can claim the US government during the civil war represented goodness. The US government at that time was controlled entirely by murderous white supremacists who were in the process of exterminating the native American population. The idea that the US government fought to liberate African slaves is laughable. After the war was over, the US government simply let the slaves die from sickness, starvation, and exposure. Lincoln devised a plan to ship them back to Africa. Oh, yes... what a noble institution!

[Captdon]

It doesn't mean that the fight was not a just one.

But it was.

[Captdon]

I hope that all can see my point in the post above.

Those who forget history, are doomed to repeat it.

The Star's and Bars, has come to represent Slavery apparently, but if you look at History, One of the reasons that the Southern States Left the Union was Slavery, and no body should deny that.

But the other was the States were loosing their rights as individual states. Thus nearly every State fought under a different flag. The fact that the southern states would not work together under a strong federal government is also one of the reasons that the south lost the war

But I would bet that you could fly many of those flags and not one person color would say a word, the reason is simple, they have forgotten our history

Slavery was the only issue according to the men who voted to secede.

[Captdon]

Never said that. I know it was a just and noble cause. Despite what the No Nothings what to claim the fight actually started as early as 1800 and was centered around the onerous tariffs put in place by the North. It was also about what actually the role of the Federal Government in relation to the sovereignty of the several states. Also despite the claims of the fools on this forum the goal of the Southern States was not to overthrow the Union but to separate themselves from it and go their own way, a position they firmly believed was righteous.

I have never heard anyone say the South was trying to overthrow the government of the United States. They wanted to insure slavery would remain. They killed 320,000 US soldiers just in case they lost the right to own someone.

[Standing Wolf]

I have never heard anyone say the South was trying to overthrow the government of the United States. They wanted to insure slavery would remain. They killed 320,000 US soldiers just in case they lost the right to own someone.

For the most part, the only "states' right" that concerned the Confederacy's leaders was the right to continue owning slaves.

That said, I don't associate the stars and bars with slavery and I don't imagine very many folks who display it do, either.

Recognizing and admitting that the Confederacy's main goal was to perpetuate the institution of human slavery and seeing the current display of the stars and bars as nothing more than a symbol of regional pride and the spirit of rebellion are not mutually exclusive concepts.

[Chris]

Slavery was the only issue according to the men who voted to secede.

That was among their grievances justifying secession as the federal government, according to them, had, among other grievances, violated the Constitution with regard to slaves.

[Safety]

One can learn a lot about a person's character by what he/she defends.

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