The Confederate battle flag

[Newpublius]

Tariffs are taxes and don't need to be reconciled with anything but the Constitution.

We aren't talking about good faith to start with.

You're the one insisting that it was ONLY slavery, remember?

My position is that this really pissed them off. You seem to deny this for some reason.

"The Congress shall have power – To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises for revenue, necessary to pay the debts, provide for the common defense, and carry on the Government of the Confederate States; but no bounties shall be granted from the Treasury; nor shall any duties or taxes on importations from foreign nations be laid to promote or foster any branch of industry; and all duties, imposts, and excises shall be uniform throughout the Confederate States"

Protectionist tariffs pissed them off to such an extent their Constitution expressly forbade such favoritism.

Time to acknowledge, "Yes, they said slavery, but at the end of the day the Union wasn't a good deal for them."

They said that too.

[Newpublius]

Our Founders and government for quite some time used tariffs not just to raise revenue, but to encourage Americans to build industry in the US. Without that the US would never have been more than a third world nation.

The revenue tariff, a relatively uniform tariff, where the federal government essentially raises all of its revenue by taxing foreign trade while imposing virtually no taxation on domestic trade has to be taken within the totality of the circumstances.

Remember, if you need a protectionist tariff over and above the revenue tariff of the era (even the Confederate tariff was 15%), you're just woefully inefficient at that point. At that point you're just retarding economic growth.

In 1860 the average rate was 20% +/- and the Republicans wanted to increase that quite substantially. 26-36% after Morrill Tariff went through and by the end of the war the tariff was even higher.

Now for sure this should have helped post-war Reconstruction and economic development, right?

Before we had what we now call the Great Depression, the people before that Depression called the Great Depression what we now call the 'Long Depression'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Depression

[patrickt]

We tried, we lost. Time to let it go.

Should we let all of our history go? How about Korea and Vietnam where we lost? How about the War of 1812 where we lost? How about the socialist revolution that we're losing? Forget our history?

I think the South should remember they were invaded by the north. Slavery was bad and the Yankees brought sharecropping and company stores. We should remember that the causes for secession then are much the same and the causes for the riots and disorder now. No, we should not forget our history and we should not let the "winners" who have abandoned America force us to forget our history.

[MisterVeritis]

This is all well and good but even President Lincoln was not going to outlaw Slavery in the states were it existed. They were going to be allowed to keep their way of life, no matter how wrong it was

Lincoln was elected on an anti-slavery platform. Under his leadership there would be no new slave states. As new free states were added the political power would shift permanently to the free states and away from the slave states. It is the shift of political power that brought on the civil war. It is always the awareness that the shift of power is happening and that it cannot be reversed that causes civil wars.

We are 1859 all over again.

[MisterVeritis]

You're the one insisting that it was ONLY slavery, remember?

My position is that this really pissed them off. You seem to deny this for some reason.

"The Congress shall have power – To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises for revenue, necessary to pay the debts, provide for the common defense, and carry on the Government of the Confederate States; but no bounties shall be granted from the Treasury; nor shall any duties or taxes on importations from foreign nations be laid to promote or foster any branch of industry; and all duties, imposts, and excises shall be uniform throughout the Confederate States"

Protectionist tariffs pissed them off to such an extent their Constitution expressly forbade such favoritism.

Time to acknowledge, "Yes, they said slavery, but at the end of the day the Union wasn't a good deal for them."

They said that too.

I am confused. Here is what the Constitution says:

Section 8: Powers of Congress

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Where did your bolded text come from?

[Newpublius]

I am confused. Here is what the Constitution says:

"Protectionist tariffs pissed them [Southerners] off to such an extent their Constitution [the Confederate Constitution] expressly forbade such favoritism."

[Bo-4]

It is not those who do not learn from history, it is those that FORGET History that are doomed to repeat it.

People have begun to think that they have a right to not be offended in this country... And they don't have that right.

So these gentle little snowflakes who are crying need to suck it up so others don't forget that we fought a war to make sure that all men were created equal

You should probably practice what ya preach zelly. Your team is offended by practically everything that doesn't fit your narrow, pathetic worldview.

[Bo-4]

Should we let all of our history go? How about Korea and Vietnam where we lost? How about the War of 1812 where we lost? How about the socialist revolution that we're losing? Forget our history?

I think the South should remember they were invaded by the north. Slavery was bad and the Yankees brought sharecropping and company stores. We should remember that the causes for secession then are much the same and the causes for the riots and disorder now. No, we should not forget our history and we should not let the "winners" who have abandoned America force us to forget our history.

The wars we lost have NOTHING to do with race or slavery. So there is that.

[MisterVeritis]

"Protectionist tariffs pissed them [Southerners] off to such an extent their Constitution [the Confederate Constitution] expressly forbade such favoritism."

Okay. To clarify your bolded text, while appearing to be part of the Constitution was NOT part of the Constitution.

[Captdon]

Actually, there was talk of outlawing slavery in Washington DC. The entire Missouri Compromise was about limiting the spread of slavery in the new territories.

If the federal government wasn't interfering with slavery then why would anyone say the War Between the States was about slavery?

Southerners feared Lincoln would interfere. I didn't say there was any logic in the South.The War was about slavery to the South. The rest of the country fought to preserve the Union.


I'll leave you to your myth of the "Lost Cause." Be happy.